Neighbors question Metropolitan Market development at mayoral town hall

Posted on January 12th, 2012 by Editor


Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn offered transparency and a willingness to listen Tuesday night before a full house at the Queen Anne Community Center where among the crowd were those less-than thrilled at the prospect of the Metropolitan Market’s ensuing redevelopment.

One neighbor named Steve stood and read a hand-written, page-long complaint about the grocery store’s redevelopment plan, led by Joe Geivett of Emerald Bay Equity. Steve said the plan would allow for trucks to be rerouted into the alleyway behind the property. The one-acre lot spans a block on Queen Anne Avenue North between West Crockett and West Howe streets.  The market’s footprint will expand to 20,000 square feet with 200 parking spaces below ground and 125 apartments up top. Ancillary retail may also be attached to the property. Geivett is also leading the Seven Hills development across the street, a 57-unit apartment building with ground-floor retail. He also built the Sweetbriar building where KeyBank and Menchie’s reside.

McGinn admitted he’d just learned of the project on the way over to the town-hall meeting and deferred to Diane Sugimura, director of the Department of Planning and Development. She said she signed off on the project, which had met development guidelines.

Queen Anne resident Genevieve Cole tells Mayor Mike McGinn of her disapproval of the Metropolitan Market redevelopment plan.

Then neighbor Genevieve Cole, a mother of three who lives near the market, spoke out at the back of the community center saying to McMinn, “You call yourself an environmentalist but there is nothing environmental about [the redevelopment project].” Her statement was met with applause.

McGinn countered that he had been the president of the Greenwood neighborhood council for years and was aware of similar challenges, such as the Fred Meyer expansion on Northwest 85th Street that is forcing the closure of a much beloved Greenwood Market.

“If someone meets the zoning and the rules, they’re entitled to continue,” he said, adding that finding common ground among residents and development in Seattle’s urban neighborhoods is a challenge.

“That’s a cop out,” Cole said later of McGinn’s answer. “I think it was worthwhile and brave of the mayor to put himself out there and I hope he continues to do so. My instincts about him are that he is still connected. His whole thrust is to get people to ride bikes more. He’s still sort of an everyman. But it does frustrate me that his default position was what it was.”

McGinn fielded several more questions about the lack of funding for parks and education. He said one plan to generate revenue, amid the $40 million budget shortfall he is anticipating, is to “harness” the property tax revenue that would come from development at Seattle’s waterfront. Another proven revenue source has been the hike in parking meter rates. McGinn has had to make cuts across all city departments since he took office and wanted neighborhood feedback and innovative suggestions on how to keep programs open and thriving—the point of the meetings he has been hosting in various Seattle neighborhoods.

The Seven Diels.

Representatives from multiple city departments set up informational tables around the center. Rainier Beach band, Seven Diels, made up of middle-schooler siblings Mia, Damien and Darius, warmed up the crowd with a song about equality. The band will be playing a show in February at the Hard Rock Café at 116 Pike St.


  • batty

    Typical NIMBYs. I say build it! Who wants to look at that ugly parking lot on the street front?

  • batty

    Typical NIMBYs. I say build it! Who wants to look at that ugly parking lot on the street front?

  • QA Hill

    As long as they can fill the retail and we’re not left with empty storefronts (or more banks) I think anything will look nicer than that run-down apartment building and the grocery store/parking lot combo.

  • QA Hill

    As long as they can fill the retail and we’re not left with empty storefronts (or more banks) I think anything will look nicer than that run-down apartment building and the grocery store/parking lot combo.

  • BigBallaJ

    NIMBYs! Build it!

  • BigBallaJ

    NIMBYs! Build it!

  • tico

    Doesn’t the ave need more foot traffic? Wouldn’t the additional residents justify the addition of more retail? Don’t we all need a greater diversity of offerings on the hill?

    If it brings just one decent pho shop and one decent deli, than it’s absolutely worth it. Hell, even the remodel of the Met is worth it. The current one is tired, tiny, and rough around the edges. And who prefers looking at an empty parking lot anyway? That’s whats there now.

  • tico

    Doesn’t the ave need more foot traffic? Wouldn’t the additional residents justify the addition of more retail? Don’t we all need a greater diversity of offerings on the hill?

    If it brings just one decent pho shop and one decent deli, than it’s absolutely worth it. Hell, even the remodel of the Met is worth it. The current one is tired, tiny, and rough around the edges. And who prefers looking at an empty parking lot anyway? That’s whats there now.

  • Steve

    You guys need to reconsider what’s at stake, here. It’s not the develoment itself that’s being challenged, it’s the scale of the development that is at question. Upper Queen Anne is a residential neighborhood, and the proposed site backs up to a church, school and retirment community. The sheer size of this development, coupled with the proposed variance to allow huge trucks to enter and leave the block through the west alley is a huge safety issue, and this development should be far more oriented toward pedestrians. It’s developments like this that will ruin the neighborhood forever. Wisen-up, folks!

  • Steve

    You guys need to reconsider what’s at stake, here. It’s not the develoment itself that’s being challenged, it’s the scale of the development that is at question. Upper Queen Anne is a residential neighborhood, and the proposed site backs up to a church, school and retirment community. The sheer size of this development, coupled with the proposed variance to allow huge trucks to enter and leave the block through the west alley is a huge safety issue, and this development should be far more oriented toward pedestrians. It’s developments like this that will ruin the neighborhood forever. Wisen-up, folks!

  • Matt the Engineer

    The property is zoned for the size that they’re building. That’s a decision our neighbors and ex-neighbors made years ago, and I think it’s a fine one. I actually think our “residential” neighborhood (name one neighborhood that doesn’t fit this description) could use more development, not less. The sushi place is moving out because rents are too high – rents are high because we need more storefronts.

    I say we go in the other direction and zone Galer and McGraw to match QA Ave, and add the storefront space that businesses are demanding (and us residents want).

  • Matt the Engineer

    The property is zoned for the size that they’re building. That’s a decision our neighbors and ex-neighbors made years ago, and I think it’s a fine one. I actually think our “residential” neighborhood (name one neighborhood that doesn’t fit this description) could use more development, not less. The sushi place is moving out because rents are too high – rents are high because we need more storefronts.

    I say we go in the other direction and zone Galer and McGraw to match QA Ave, and add the storefront space that businesses are demanding (and us residents want).

  • Neens

    I’m surprised McSchwinn could even find his way to QA. H’s never given a hoot about the neighborhood. No wonder he knew nothing about what’s going on here.

    That said, the project is already approved so I’m not sure what good griping to the mayor would have. The top of QA is destined to be denser – that’s part of the City’s urban development vision – so there’s going to be development, I’m glad it’s the Met that will be the ground-floor tenant, and not QFC as originally planned. At least they have neighborhood roots.

  • Neens

    I’m surprised McSchwinn could even find his way to QA. H’s never given a hoot about the neighborhood. No wonder he knew nothing about what’s going on here.

    That said, the project is already approved so I’m not sure what good griping to the mayor would have. The top of QA is destined to be denser – that’s part of the City’s urban development vision – so there’s going to be development, I’m glad it’s the Met that will be the ground-floor tenant, and not QFC as originally planned. At least they have neighborhood roots.

  • NIMBY

    Yes, not in my backyard. Literally. Why do you people not care about the scale? Huge corporate developer (Joe Gievett builds Walmarts), expensive property means QA Ave. will be filled with banks and Subways. Why don’t you move to the ‘burbs if this is what you want? You say NIMBY like it’s a bad thing. Here’s an acronym for you: WEENIES. Maybe Souless WEENIES is better.

  • NIMBY

    Yes, not in my backyard. Literally. Why do you people not care about the scale? Huge corporate developer (Joe Gievett builds Walmarts), expensive property means QA Ave. will be filled with banks and Subways. Why don’t you move to the ‘burbs if this is what you want? You say NIMBY like it’s a bad thing. Here’s an acronym for you: WEENIES. Maybe Souless WEENIES is better.

  • Anne Whitacre

    A project of this type (at this location) has been circulating for the past 14 years and it has consistently been stopped by neighbors. Queen Anne has been zoned for higher density. The Metropolitan Market people have consistently gotten good architects and paid attention to good design and if the community objects enough, there will be no incentive for them to stay in this location — and some other badly designed project will take its place. If the original project had been built, it would have been in place 10 years by now and no one would even remember all the fuss about it. Delaying this project is simply ill-informed and not appropriate for the neighborhood.

  • Anne Whitacre

    A project of this type (at this location) has been circulating for the past 14 years and it has consistently been stopped by neighbors. Queen Anne has been zoned for higher density. The Metropolitan Market people have consistently gotten good architects and paid attention to good design and if the community objects enough, there will be no incentive for them to stay in this location — and some other badly designed project will take its place. If the original project had been built, it would have been in place 10 years by now and no one would even remember all the fuss about it. Delaying this project is simply ill-informed and not appropriate for the neighborhood.

  • Matt the Engineer

    [NIMBY] Storefront space on QA is very valuable. That’s a good thing – it means we’re doing something right that businesses will pay $5k/mo for the little space the sushi place is in. The problem is that prices are getting so high that only chains, botiques, and banks can afford them. Adding storefront supply of storefront space will work to drop rents a little (this is basic economics).

    We really need more storefront space if we want the types of small businesses we all love. Telling the Met they can’t build new storefronts is what would bring more banks.

  • Matt the Engineer

    [NIMBY] Storefront space on QA is very valuable. That’s a good thing – it means we’re doing something right that businesses will pay $5k/mo for the little space the sushi place is in. The problem is that prices are getting so high that only chains, botiques, and banks can afford them. Adding storefront supply of storefront space will work to drop rents a little (this is basic economics).

    We really need more storefront space if we want the types of small businesses we all love. Telling the Met they can’t build new storefronts is what would bring more banks.

  • vanderleun

    Cole’s a whack job. The pure fact is as the mayor (and I’m not a fan of the mayor) stated it: ““If someone meets the zoning and the rules, they’re entitled to continue.”

    That’s called ‘following the law’ and if Cole and the other NIMBYs blathering here don’t like it… change it.

    Until such time, obey it. It’s just that simple.

  • vanderleun

    Cole’s a whack job. The pure fact is as the mayor (and I’m not a fan of the mayor) stated it: ““If someone meets the zoning and the rules, they’re entitled to continue.”

    That’s called ‘following the law’ and if Cole and the other NIMBYs blathering here don’t like it… change it.

    Until such time, obey it. It’s just that simple.

  • vanderleun

    As for you NIMBY… go sell crazy somewhere else. We’re full up in Queen Anne.

  • vanderleun

    As for you NIMBY… go sell crazy somewhere else. We’re full up in Queen Anne.

  • Steve

    Vanderleun is the real whack job; this project did not meet the zoning requirements hence the variance that was needed to get the project approved in its current state. As for Matt the Engineer, get real. The only chains that will be able to afford the high rental rates are either chains, banks or otherwise, stores that are not very interesting. Again, it’s all about the scale and making the neighborhood pedestrian friendly, interesting and desirable. My is based on living in the hood, down the street from the proposed development. I would be curious to know where “Matt the Engineer and Vanderleun live, probably not in vicinity.

  • Steve

    Vanderleun is the real whack job; this project did not meet the zoning requirements hence the variance that was needed to get the project approved in its current state. As for Matt the Engineer, get real. The only chains that will be able to afford the high rental rates are either chains, banks or otherwise, stores that are not very interesting. Again, it’s all about the scale and making the neighborhood pedestrian friendly, interesting and desirable. My is based on living in the hood, down the street from the proposed development. I would be curious to know where “Matt the Engineer and Vanderleun live, probably not in vicinity.

  • Concerned Citizen

    Go to the suburbs is you want big development; AKA corporate development. The businesses that recently closed shop on Boston were causualties of greed, and if you haven’t noticed, there are plenty of vacancies remaining in Gievett’s other developments that have yet to see a tennant. City Council needs to take another look at the proposed development and get the trucks off of the alley and back to the main avenue.

  • Concerned Citizen

    Go to the suburbs is you want big development; AKA corporate development. The businesses that recently closed shop on Boston were causualties of greed, and if you haven’t noticed, there are plenty of vacancies remaining in Gievett’s other developments that have yet to see a tennant. City Council needs to take another look at the proposed development and get the trucks off of the alley and back to the main avenue.

  • A.Y.

    I’m not sure I see what the issue is. Metro Market wants to renovate its current site into a mixed use lot…it meets zoning laws, it’s their right to do so. If the self interested rich Queen Anne folks don’t like it, tough…I’ve driven through many a streets on QA and didn’t like the flowers in a yard or the ugly furniture in the living room that is displayed through those big windows, but you don’t see me showing up to town hall to complain about it.

    If you ask me they should just close this metro market down anyway, it’s a dump….the one literally a half a mile away on lower queen anne is much nicer anyway, BUT GOD FORBID WE UPSET THE RESIDENTS OF QUEEN ANNE….

    Get a life.

  • A.Y.

    I’m not sure I see what the issue is. Metro Market wants to renovate its current site into a mixed use lot…it meets zoning laws, it’s their right to do so. If the self interested rich Queen Anne folks don’t like it, tough…I’ve driven through many a streets on QA and didn’t like the flowers in a yard or the ugly furniture in the living room that is displayed through those big windows, but you don’t see me showing up to town hall to complain about it.

    If you ask me they should just close this metro market down anyway, it’s a dump….the one literally a half a mile away on lower queen anne is much nicer anyway, BUT GOD FORBID WE UPSET THE RESIDENTS OF QUEEN ANNE….

    Get a life.

  • Matt the Engineer

    @13 I live a very short walk from the Met. How is keeping the large sidewalk-adjacent parking lot instead of adding storefronts “pedestrian friendly”? The current Met is only car-friendly. Next you’ll be trying to save the 7-11.

    @14 without more storefronts, the only stores that will be able to afford QA will soon be corporations.

  • Matt the Engineer

    @13 I live a very short walk from the Met. How is keeping the large sidewalk-adjacent parking lot instead of adding storefronts “pedestrian friendly”? The current Met is only car-friendly. Next you’ll be trying to save the 7-11.

    @14 without more storefronts, the only stores that will be able to afford QA will soon be corporations.

  • Steve

    Again, 16…it has nothing to do with development, it’s all about the scale. We don’t need to have trucks roaring up and down our side streets and along the alley where the preschool, church and local residents reside. I’m all for development, just not over development and out of scale!

  • Steve

    Again, 16…it has nothing to do with development, it’s all about the scale. We don’t need to have trucks roaring up and down our side streets and along the alley where the preschool, church and local residents reside. I’m all for development, just not over development and out of scale!

  • MsFrench

    I’m very happy to see that cooler heads prevail here on the comments section of the QA View. I, too, get very irritated hearing all of these ‘neighbors’ complain about the scale of the develoment and the big, bad, dangerous delivery trucks that will invade our streets and alleys. Oh and don’t forget the noise. Seriously, if you choose to live a block or two from a commercial street, you’re going to have to accept some noise and traffice in your neighborhood. If you prefer a quiet country life then don’t move to the top of QA Hill.

    Honestly. Seems like common sense to me. I live a few doors down from Big Howe playfield. There is constant traffic, cars parking in front of my house, people playing soft ball or soccer til 11:00pm, neighbors walking dogs at 6:00 in the morning. Yes, I have lots of traffic and noise on my street. I knew what I was getting into when I moved here. It’s part of city life.

  • MsFrench

    I’m very happy to see that cooler heads prevail here on the comments section of the QA View. I, too, get very irritated hearing all of these ‘neighbors’ complain about the scale of the develoment and the big, bad, dangerous delivery trucks that will invade our streets and alleys. Oh and don’t forget the noise. Seriously, if you choose to live a block or two from a commercial street, you’re going to have to accept some noise and traffice in your neighborhood. If you prefer a quiet country life then don’t move to the top of QA Hill.

    Honestly. Seems like common sense to me. I live a few doors down from Big Howe playfield. There is constant traffic, cars parking in front of my house, people playing soft ball or soccer til 11:00pm, neighbors walking dogs at 6:00 in the morning. Yes, I have lots of traffic and noise on my street. I knew what I was getting into when I moved here. It’s part of city life.

  • Concerned Citizen

    17, I couldn’t have said it any better. Let’s all agree to scale down the size of the development and petition that the trucks get routed down Queen Ann Avenue and not the alley. Can we all agree on that, at least?

  • Concerned Citizen

    17, I couldn’t have said it any better. Let’s all agree to scale down the size of the development and petition that the trucks get routed down Queen Ann Avenue and not the alley. Can we all agree on that, at least?

  • MsFrench

    Concerned Citizen. No, I’m afraid we can’t all agree on that. Alleys are for deliveries, garbage trucks and access to garages. The proposed scale of the Met Market development seems perfectly reasonable for the zoning requirments on that commercial street. I’m sorry if the truck noise will bother you, but if we are going to have a vital little business district in our neighborhood, we have to let them run their businesses…. which may mean big trucks delivering merchandise.

  • MsFrench

    Concerned Citizen. No, I’m afraid we can’t all agree on that. Alleys are for deliveries, garbage trucks and access to garages. The proposed scale of the Met Market development seems perfectly reasonable for the zoning requirments on that commercial street. I’m sorry if the truck noise will bother you, but if we are going to have a vital little business district in our neighborhood, we have to let them run their businesses…. which may mean big trucks delivering merchandise.

  • NIMBY

    Those of you defending Met Market should go talk to Met Market. They likely cannot afford the rents Gievett and crew will charge. Most assume if the development is a go, they are gone.

  • NIMBY

    Those of you defending Met Market should go talk to Met Market. They likely cannot afford the rents Gievett and crew will charge. Most assume if the development is a go, they are gone.

  • CarBoi

    Can we get a traffic light put up on the intersection of Queen Anne And Boston and Another on the corner of Queen Anne and McGregor so we can have better traffic flow and speed traffic on Queen Anne Ave.. Also, how about doing something about the 8 way stop street on Queen Anne Ave just before Aurora Ave so we can get off the hill quickly without sitting in traffic for 10 minutes.

  • CarBoi

    Can we get a traffic light put up on the intersection of Queen Anne And Boston and Another on the corner of Queen Anne and McGregor so we can have better traffic flow and speed traffic on Queen Anne Ave.. Also, how about doing something about the 8 way stop street on Queen Anne Ave just before Aurora Ave so we can get off the hill quickly without sitting in traffic for 10 minutes.

  • vanderleun

    Car boi,

    You are a dreamer. You want to get off quicker try going at other than rush hour. It works like a charm.

    Otherwise, go around or through.

  • vanderleun

    Car boi,

    You are a dreamer. You want to get off quicker try going at other than rush hour. It works like a charm.

    Otherwise, go around or through.

  • vanderleun

    “The only chains that will be able to afford the high rental rates are either chains, banks or otherwise, stores that are not very interesting. Again, it’s all about the scale and making the neighborhood pedestrian friendly, interesting and desirable. My is based on living in the hood, down the street from the proposed development. I would be curious to know where “Matt the Engineer and Vanderleun live, probably not in vicinity.”

    Well, Steve, you ignorant pup, I live just off Queen Anne ave and here’s the news… if the neighborhood is served by large companies or the small little struggling merchants you love to hug it doesn’t make a dime’s bit of difference to me.

    I’m not into some half-baked romantics idea of a “community.” If you want that move to 1899 or thereabouts and exist without penicillin and indoor plumbing but with a very soulful blacksmith and endless piles of horse manure.

    Queen Anne is quite pedestrian friendly. I suggest you take a walk in it and check that out.

    In the mean time more power to development of whatever kind in this far too insular and stuck-up hood.

  • vanderleun

    “The only chains that will be able to afford the high rental rates are either chains, banks or otherwise, stores that are not very interesting. Again, it’s all about the scale and making the neighborhood pedestrian friendly, interesting and desirable. My is based on living in the hood, down the street from the proposed development. I would be curious to know where “Matt the Engineer and Vanderleun live, probably not in vicinity.”

    Well, Steve, you ignorant pup, I live just off Queen Anne ave and here’s the news… if the neighborhood is served by large companies or the small little struggling merchants you love to hug it doesn’t make a dime’s bit of difference to me.

    I’m not into some half-baked romantics idea of a “community.” If you want that move to 1899 or thereabouts and exist without penicillin and indoor plumbing but with a very soulful blacksmith and endless piles of horse manure.

    Queen Anne is quite pedestrian friendly. I suggest you take a walk in it and check that out.

    In the mean time more power to development of whatever kind in this far too insular and stuck-up hood.

  • Warren

    Here are the objections to the DPD decision:
    •The decision facilitates violations of the Seattle Noise Ordinance (SMC 25.08);
    •The proposed Noise Mitigation Plan is inadequate and unenforceable and does not mitigate the noise impacts of the proposed project;
    •The decision creates inappropriate and excessive car and truck congestion in the vicinity of the proposed project;
    •The proposed Delivery and Loading Dock Management Plan is inadequate and unenforceable and does not mitigate the impacts of the proposed project;
    •The transportation study in support of the project does not reflect conditions on the site and is otherwise flawed;
    •The decision facilitates blocking of an alleyway in violation of SMC 11.72.025 and WAC 308-303-433;
    •The decision creates unsafe conditions for pedestrians in a pedestrian 2 overlay zone;
    •The documentation supporting the proposed project is based on somewhere between 20,000 and “roughly 35,000 square feet” of commercial space. As such, the impacts of the project have been underestimated in their entirety;
    •The decision has probable significant adverse environmental impacts in violation of SMC 25.05 et. Seq., WAC 197-11 et. Seq., and RCW 43.21C.031 et. Seq.

  • Warren

    Here are the objections to the DPD decision:
    •The decision facilitates violations of the Seattle Noise Ordinance (SMC 25.08);
    •The proposed Noise Mitigation Plan is inadequate and unenforceable and does not mitigate the noise impacts of the proposed project;
    •The decision creates inappropriate and excessive car and truck congestion in the vicinity of the proposed project;
    •The proposed Delivery and Loading Dock Management Plan is inadequate and unenforceable and does not mitigate the impacts of the proposed project;
    •The transportation study in support of the project does not reflect conditions on the site and is otherwise flawed;
    •The decision facilitates blocking of an alleyway in violation of SMC 11.72.025 and WAC 308-303-433;
    •The decision creates unsafe conditions for pedestrians in a pedestrian 2 overlay zone;
    •The documentation supporting the proposed project is based on somewhere between 20,000 and “roughly 35,000 square feet” of commercial space. As such, the impacts of the project have been underestimated in their entirety;
    •The decision has probable significant adverse environmental impacts in violation of SMC 25.05 et. Seq., WAC 197-11 et. Seq., and RCW 43.21C.031 et. Seq.

  • Warren

    If you think any objections to the current plans are frivolous, at least read them so you might get some insight into why we are appealing.

  • Warren

    If you think any objections to the current plans are frivolous, at least read them so you might get some insight into why we are appealing.

  • Michael Williams

    Lets not let a bunch of selfish NIMBYs ruin this development for the rest of the community. The reality is, city planners have zoned certain streets to allow specific densities of development. His project satisfies all city requirements. Any thriving community needs a dense core. QA ave. is just that core. If NIMBYs like Warren and Steve don’t want a thriving neighborhood, they should not have moved to QA in the first place. I’m sure there are neighborhoods in Woodenville where Steve doesn’t have to worry about trucks on his precious streets. I have lived in QA for over 10 years and welcome this growth and progress to the neighborhood.

  • Michael Williams

    Lets not let a bunch of selfish NIMBYs ruin this development for the rest of the community. The reality is, city planners have zoned certain streets to allow specific densities of development. His project satisfies all city requirements. Any thriving community needs a dense core. QA ave. is just that core. If NIMBYs like Warren and Steve don’t want a thriving neighborhood, they should not have moved to QA in the first place. I’m sure there are neighborhoods in Woodenville where Steve doesn’t have to worry about trucks on his precious streets. I have lived in QA for over 10 years and welcome this growth and progress to the neighborhood.

  • Warren

    The developer is widening the alley by two feet in order to be able (barely) to squeeze trucks down the alley. Is that what you mean by city planning?

  • Warren

    The developer is widening the alley by two feet in order to be able (barely) to squeeze trucks down the alley. Is that what you mean by city planning?

  • Kevin

    As an owner of a small business on the Ave, I can unfortunately tell you that, even w/ all of the new retail space that has come avail in the last 2 years, rents have, and are continuing to go up. Because of this, there are very few small, locally owned businesses making any money on the hill. We are looking toward a future of banks and national chains on the Ave. There will be a number of locally owned business that open, struggle for the obligatory 5 year lease, and then go out of business. Support the businesses you love!

  • Kevin

    As an owner of a small business on the Ave, I can unfortunately tell you that, even w/ all of the new retail space that has come avail in the last 2 years, rents have, and are continuing to go up. Because of this, there are very few small, locally owned businesses making any money on the hill. We are looking toward a future of banks and national chains on the Ave. There will be a number of locally owned business that open, struggle for the obligatory 5 year lease, and then go out of business. Support the businesses you love!

  • The scale of this project should be reduced with bigger setbacks than it’s new neighbor across the street provides. The builder needs create a better relationship with surrounding land uses and increased visibility. If we were talking about Stone Way or Wallingford Avenue, it would be a different matter, since those streets are wider, with easy access to fast moving, straight streets like 45th, 40th and 36th. The tendency, city-wide, seems to be for the lower retail units to remain vacant, until a franchise comes in. Reduce the scale, incorporating safer truck delivery access, some nice public space and Queen Anne could have a “crown jewel” that would attract and keep locally-owned retail.

  • The scale of this project should be reduced with bigger setbacks than it’s new neighbor across the street provides. The builder needs create a better relationship with surrounding land uses and increased visibility. If we were talking about Stone Way or Wallingford Avenue, it would be a different matter, since those streets are wider, with easy access to fast moving, straight streets like 45th, 40th and 36th. The tendency, city-wide, seems to be for the lower retail units to remain vacant, until a franchise comes in. Reduce the scale, incorporating safer truck delivery access, some nice public space and Queen Anne could have a “crown jewel” that would attract and keep locally-owned retail.

  • phil

    Build it. Alleys are for deliveries.

  • phil

    Build it. Alleys are for deliveries.

  • NIMBY

    Even though 50 -plus 3-4 year olds spill out into that alley daily from Lynn Beasley’s dance school? I guess the trucks should just plow them over in the name of progress and profits? Maybe they can take out a few Alzheimer’s patients in the process. I wonder if it were your child or mother, you might feel differently..?

  • NIMBY

    Even though 50 -plus 3-4 year olds spill out into that alley daily from Lynn Beasley’s dance school? I guess the trucks should just plow them over in the name of progress and profits? Maybe they can take out a few Alzheimer’s patients in the process. I wonder if it were your child or mother, you might feel differently..?

  • huh?

    Why are 3 and 4 year olds “spill(ing)” into an alley designed for deliveries by large trucks??!!!!!

    Lynn Beasley better look at her liability insurance and soon.

  • huh?

    Why are 3 and 4 year olds “spill(ing)” into an alley designed for deliveries by large trucks??!!!!!

    Lynn Beasley better look at her liability insurance and soon.

  • Fluffy

    Warren and NIMBY,

    You guys should call the WWAAAhmbulance!

    Maybe QA is not for you. Now please leave. Everyone else is tired of your whining.

    To answer your question Warren, all that fancy language and law references are frivolous and not fooling anyone. SMC 11.72.025 and WAC 308-303-433???

    What part of “approved” and “meets development guidelines” do you not understand.

    People like you give Queen Anne a bad name.

    I really think you should leave the neighborhood if you are this unhappy and determined to behave this way.

    Notice how everyone else here supports it?

    Don’t get run over by a truck on your way out.

  • Fluffy

    Warren and NIMBY,

    You guys should call the WWAAAhmbulance!

    Maybe QA is not for you. Now please leave. Everyone else is tired of your whining.

    To answer your question Warren, all that fancy language and law references are frivolous and not fooling anyone. SMC 11.72.025 and WAC 308-303-433???

    What part of “approved” and “meets development guidelines” do you not understand.

    People like you give Queen Anne a bad name.

    I really think you should leave the neighborhood if you are this unhappy and determined to behave this way.

    Notice how everyone else here supports it?

    Don’t get run over by a truck on your way out.

  • Fluffy

    The funniest thing ever is NIMBY’s lame attempt to “re-claim” the word NIMBY and rally folks to her side.

    Bwaahahaha

    Well guess what, NIMBY? NIMBY!! (get it?)

    Nobody like a whiner. And leave my grandma out of it. Yes she has Alzheimers but that does not give you the right to disparage her on a blog. She loves Metropolitan Market.

    Build it!

    And if I ever catch NIMBY or Warren shopping there…..

  • Fluffy

    The funniest thing ever is NIMBY’s lame attempt to “re-claim” the word NIMBY and rally folks to her side.

    Bwaahahaha

    Well guess what, NIMBY? NIMBY!! (get it?)

    Nobody like a whiner. And leave my grandma out of it. Yes she has Alzheimers but that does not give you the right to disparage her on a blog. She loves Metropolitan Market.

    Build it!

    And if I ever catch NIMBY or Warren shopping there…..

  • Suzy

    Just out of curiosity, if this development is fine with some of you, is all development good for QA? If not, what type of development would you be against?

  • Suzy

    Just out of curiosity, if this development is fine with some of you, is all development good for QA? If not, what type of development would you be against?

  • NIMBY

    Joe, is that you? Or is it your minions?

  • NIMBY

    Joe, is that you? Or is it your minions?

  • Fluffy

    Suzy the development is fine with MOST of us because it is approved and meets the development guidelines. It is that simple don’t make it all complicated and theoretical like would you oppose a Home Depot or Costco on Queen Anne Avenue or whatever (not a bad idea! especially how they build them together nowadays)

    If you want to change the guidelines maybe you can stop the next one. But this train has left the station and only Warren with his legalese and NIMBY with her Alzheimer’s patients are running down the platform like two fools trying to stop it.

    In the meantime we’re all comfy on the train watching them out the window and man are we laughing. Hey, NIMBY, don’t run into that pole!! Hey there’s Warren with papers flying out of his briefcase!

    Chooo CHoooo CHOOO CHOOOOO

  • Fluffy

    Suzy the development is fine with MOST of us because it is approved and meets the development guidelines. It is that simple don’t make it all complicated and theoretical like would you oppose a Home Depot or Costco on Queen Anne Avenue or whatever (not a bad idea! especially how they build them together nowadays)

    If you want to change the guidelines maybe you can stop the next one. But this train has left the station and only Warren with his legalese and NIMBY with her Alzheimer’s patients are running down the platform like two fools trying to stop it.

    In the meantime we’re all comfy on the train watching them out the window and man are we laughing. Hey, NIMBY, don’t run into that pole!! Hey there’s Warren with papers flying out of his briefcase!

    Chooo CHoooo CHOOO CHOOOOO

  • carol

    Nice straw man, Suzy! We have urban planning and development standards for a reason. People smarter and more educated in the ways of urban planning than you have set up a land use plan specifically to answer the questions you ask. If you, and Warren, Steve, and NIMBY have problems with an approved development, change the land use plan. However, it is not your place to stand in the way of progress because you think you know better than the city planners who approved this project. You do not! Your neighbors also do not appreciate your childish attempts at stalling a project that is only good for the community. Please move already!

  • carol

    Nice straw man, Suzy! We have urban planning and development standards for a reason. People smarter and more educated in the ways of urban planning than you have set up a land use plan specifically to answer the questions you ask. If you, and Warren, Steve, and NIMBY have problems with an approved development, change the land use plan. However, it is not your place to stand in the way of progress because you think you know better than the city planners who approved this project. You do not! Your neighbors also do not appreciate your childish attempts at stalling a project that is only good for the community. Please move already!

  • BigBallaJ

    I’m confused about why it’s bad to have chains stores/restaurants on Queen Anne.

    Is there some reason that local businesses are better? I want good food or a good product regardless of who sells it. A chain is likely to have good stuff since it’s still in business.

  • BigBallaJ

    I’m confused about why it’s bad to have chains stores/restaurants on Queen Anne.

    Is there some reason that local businesses are better? I want good food or a good product regardless of who sells it. A chain is likely to have good stuff since it’s still in business.

  • Fred

    BigBallJ,

    It’s an old person thing to imagine they live in a little village 100 years ago. Who cares? Chains have better service and lower prices. It is hilarious because so many snotty people on Queen Anne work for Amazon and Starbucks Corp and then they complain when the little tea shop or the overpriced toy store go out of business.

    I hope we get a Chipotle!

  • Fred

    BigBallJ,

    It’s an old person thing to imagine they live in a little village 100 years ago. Who cares? Chains have better service and lower prices. It is hilarious because so many snotty people on Queen Anne work for Amazon and Starbucks Corp and then they complain when the little tea shop or the overpriced toy store go out of business.

    I hope we get a Chipotle!

  • Fred

    By the way, NIMBY, calling your neighbors “Souless WEENIES” is classy. Stay classy, NIMBY.

  • Fred

    By the way, NIMBY, calling your neighbors “Souless WEENIES” is classy. Stay classy, NIMBY.

  • Michael H

    This project will be just fine for the neighborhood. We already have trucks on the hill. Safeway and the Met have deliveries already. What chains are you speaking of exactly? Metropolitan Market, isn’t what I would call a chain, with it’s 4 or 5 stores…plus it’s already there, so what’s changed other than filling a parking lot with a more stores and more people to make then viable. Days of developing at the scale of buildings like the Existing apartment building on the corner or structures like those occupied by Paragon and Homegrown are largely over. It’s too costly to build and meet current codes at that scale and property values are too high. I for one will be happy to have a better grocery with local ownership to shop at rather than Safeway.

  • Michael H

    This project will be just fine for the neighborhood. We already have trucks on the hill. Safeway and the Met have deliveries already. What chains are you speaking of exactly? Metropolitan Market, isn’t what I would call a chain, with it’s 4 or 5 stores…plus it’s already there, so what’s changed other than filling a parking lot with a more stores and more people to make then viable. Days of developing at the scale of buildings like the Existing apartment building on the corner or structures like those occupied by Paragon and Homegrown are largely over. It’s too costly to build and meet current codes at that scale and property values are too high. I for one will be happy to have a better grocery with local ownership to shop at rather than Safeway.

  • Michael H

    Steve,
    The top of Queen Anne is more than a ‘residential neighborhood’ and has been this way for decades. What’s wrong with density of shops and homes next to a church or a retirement community? A diversity of uses is good, and I’m guessing many of the retirement community residents will be happy to have additional shops and a more comprehensive grocery within walking distance. You live in a growing city, things change. This change will be for the better. Get out of the way.

  • Michael H

    Steve,
    The top of Queen Anne is more than a ‘residential neighborhood’ and has been this way for decades. What’s wrong with density of shops and homes next to a church or a retirement community? A diversity of uses is good, and I’m guessing many of the retirement community residents will be happy to have additional shops and a more comprehensive grocery within walking distance. You live in a growing city, things change. This change will be for the better. Get out of the way.

  • Mike

    I wish the Steves of Queen Anne would just shut the fuck up, or go find an island to live on. You do not speak for the majority of Quern Anne residents. You speak for yourself only.

  • Mike

    I wish the Steves of Queen Anne would just shut the fuck up, or go find an island to live on. You do not speak for the majority of Quern Anne residents. You speak for yourself only.

  • Warren

    The stated purpose and intent of the Land Use Code is as follows:
    A. Encourage better design and site planning to help ensure that new development enhances the character of the city and sensitively fits into neighborhoods, while allowing for diversity and creativity; and
    B. Provide flexibility in the application of development standards to better meet the intent of the Land Use Code as established by City policy, to meet neighborhood objectives, and to provide for effective mitigation of a proposed project’s impact and influence on a neighborhood; and
    C. Improve communication and mutual understanding among developers, neighborhoods, and the City early and throughout the development review process.

    The appellants to the decision think that DPD got it wrong in this instance. An appeal of the decision is part of the process of approval. Is it frivolous to object to the impacts of a project when the appellants feel that there are safety issues, traffic issues, noise mitigation issues, etc., etc. Please let the process take its course.

    FYI — Diane Sugimura (head of DPD) stated that only one person reviews a planners work before a decision is published.

    The present alley is 16 feet wide and has been that wide since it was platted in circa 1871. The developer is widening the alley to 18 feet and creating a new alley so that big trucks can access it. The ancillary activities to the existing development in the alley and the neighborhood do not mesh with the current plan for the reasons stated in the appeal. Sorry if lawyers can’t dumb it down enough for you — or me for that matter.

    As far as this being a Met Market remodel – don’t kid yourself. Met Market is a tenant on a month to month lease and has no signed contract to lease the new retail space. Do you really think the developer will not rent to the store willing to pay highest dollar? Mark my words, we will have a QFC Market when all is said and done here.

  • Warren

    The stated purpose and intent of the Land Use Code is as follows:
    A. Encourage better design and site planning to help ensure that new development enhances the character of the city and sensitively fits into neighborhoods, while allowing for diversity and creativity; and
    B. Provide flexibility in the application of development standards to better meet the intent of the Land Use Code as established by City policy, to meet neighborhood objectives, and to provide for effective mitigation of a proposed project’s impact and influence on a neighborhood; and
    C. Improve communication and mutual understanding among developers, neighborhoods, and the City early and throughout the development review process.

    The appellants to the decision think that DPD got it wrong in this instance. An appeal of the decision is part of the process of approval. Is it frivolous to object to the impacts of a project when the appellants feel that there are safety issues, traffic issues, noise mitigation issues, etc., etc. Please let the process take its course.

    FYI — Diane Sugimura (head of DPD) stated that only one person reviews a planners work before a decision is published.

    The present alley is 16 feet wide and has been that wide since it was platted in circa 1871. The developer is widening the alley to 18 feet and creating a new alley so that big trucks can access it. The ancillary activities to the existing development in the alley and the neighborhood do not mesh with the current plan for the reasons stated in the appeal. Sorry if lawyers can’t dumb it down enough for you — or me for that matter.

    As far as this being a Met Market remodel – don’t kid yourself. Met Market is a tenant on a month to month lease and has no signed contract to lease the new retail space. Do you really think the developer will not rent to the store willing to pay highest dollar? Mark my words, we will have a QFC Market when all is said and done here.

  • tico

    I’d kill for the top of QA to have a Chipotle. Or a Guayamos. Hell, I’ll open myself up to the wrath all the pretentious schmucks out there with this one:

    I’d like to see a McDonalds up here. I hate dealing with the one down by the needle when I’m craving my once every couple months Big Mac session.

  • tico

    I’d kill for the top of QA to have a Chipotle. Or a Guayamos. Hell, I’ll open myself up to the wrath all the pretentious schmucks out there with this one:

    I’d like to see a McDonalds up here. I hate dealing with the one down by the needle when I’m craving my once every couple months Big Mac session.

  • drbsea

    Dear god. I lived on upper QA for many years and the larger than usual number of insufferable pain-in-the-buttocks pretentious “yuppies” are still as vocal as ever.

    Build it. It will be an improvement for everyone involved, and that ugly as all get out parking lot will go away.

    Pull the stick out folks.

  • drbsea

    Dear god. I lived on upper QA for many years and the larger than usual number of insufferable pain-in-the-buttocks pretentious “yuppies” are still as vocal as ever.

    Build it. It will be an improvement for everyone involved, and that ugly as all get out parking lot will go away.

    Pull the stick out folks.

  • scawwy

    Wow! This snarkfest is like Lord of Flies! Glad I live on dirty, scary, sketchy lower QA!

  • scawwy

    Wow! This snarkfest is like Lord of Flies! Glad I live on dirty, scary, sketchy lower QA!

  • Fred

    A QFC would be amazing especially if there is a Peet’s inside!!

  • Fred

    A QFC would be amazing especially if there is a Peet’s inside!!

  • June

    Many of the people here simply do not belong in Queen Anne! Big chain stores belong in lower class neighborhoods. Queen Anne residents deserve nicer small shops because of the income and taxes we pay.

  • June

    Many of the people here simply do not belong in Queen Anne! Big chain stores belong in lower class neighborhoods. Queen Anne residents deserve nicer small shops because of the income and taxes we pay.

  • Occupy Queen Anne

    Ms. Cole is listed on public records with her property value assessed at over $800,000!!

    Are we supposed to feel sorry for her? What a self-entitled WHINER!!

    http://info.kingcounty.gov/Assessor/eRealProperty/Dashboard.aspx?ParcelNbr=0809002645

  • Occupy Queen Anne

    Ms. Cole is listed on public records with her property value assessed at over $800,000!!

    Are we supposed to feel sorry for her? What a self-entitled WHINER!!

    http://info.kingcounty.gov/Assessor/eRealProperty/Dashboard.aspx?ParcelNbr=0809002645

  • Occupy Queen Anne

    Ms. Cole is listed on public records with her property value assessed at over $800,000!!

    Are we supposed to feel sorry for her? What a self-entitled WHINER!!

  • Occupy Queen Anne

    Ms. Cole is listed on public records with her property value assessed at over $800,000!!

    Are we supposed to feel sorry for her? What a self-entitled WHINER!!

  • QA Hill

    A quick Google search shows that Ms. Cole lives across the street from 2 grocery stores, a church and a retirement center. One MUST know that when buying a house in a location like that you’re bound to have a lot of traffic, noise and general rif raf going around. If she can not figure out that a location for a home like that is maybe not the ideal location maybe she should look elsewhere to live a quieter life. Either that or maybe line up for some anti-pissy pills like some people on this board. Build it! Alley’s are for commerce/trucks and ANYTHING is going to be an improvement over what is already on that block.

  • QA Hill

    A quick Google search shows that Ms. Cole lives across the street from 2 grocery stores, a church and a retirement center. One MUST know that when buying a house in a location like that you’re bound to have a lot of traffic, noise and general rif raf going around. If she can not figure out that a location for a home like that is maybe not the ideal location maybe she should look elsewhere to live a quieter life. Either that or maybe line up for some anti-pissy pills like some people on this board. Build it! Alley’s are for commerce/trucks and ANYTHING is going to be an improvement over what is already on that block.

  • Margo

    Who pays for the appeal? Let me guess, the taxpayer? At a time when our schools need every extra dollar?

    These people should be ashamed.

    I can’t wait to shop at the big new Met Market.

  • Margo

    Who pays for the appeal? Let me guess, the taxpayer? At a time when our schools need every extra dollar?

    These people should be ashamed.

    I can’t wait to shop at the big new Met Market.

  • NIMBY

    Nice work infiltrating the blog, Developers, and trying to make it look the the majority of the neighborhood is for this development when the opposite is true. Quite a slick strategy even if it is totally transparent.

  • NIMBY

    Nice work infiltrating the blog, Developers, and trying to make it look the the majority of the neighborhood is for this development when the opposite is true. Quite a slick strategy even if it is totally transparent.

  • Larry

    Oh brother. Not a big blog commenter but here goes. I remember being involved with this whole thing years ago and now I remember why I eventually moved away from queen Anne for good. That hill has become a bunch of whiny babies who can not make up their minds what they want but do not mind when emerald equit basically akes and builds the same building what 3 times now. It’s gross up there now.

    This thing has been going on forever. You could not stand met market until you thout a qfc would go in and ghetto the hill. Not my words. So that got stopped by lawyers which is fine. Then you go back to who even knows which renditions and now all of a sudden metro market is not it. Let’s just make a yoga park for all the moms and Conner and Fiona and it will all flow. I have lived here forever and I have never lived in a town where things seemingly have no plan yet it’s talked about so much you swear someone’s head is going to explode. Just becuase you talk about it does not mean its done and sorry but everyone will not get their way in these situations. Did anyone at all learn from the monorail. Of course not we only voted on it too many to even admit and not be embarrassed. Wake up people. You have pretty much ruined the top of QA already. Why not just keep doing what you been doing.

  • Larry

    Oh brother. Not a big blog commenter but here goes. I remember being involved with this whole thing years ago and now I remember why I eventually moved away from queen Anne for good. That hill has become a bunch of whiny babies who can not make up their minds what they want but do not mind when emerald equit basically akes and builds the same building what 3 times now. It’s gross up there now.

    This thing has been going on forever. You could not stand met market until you thout a qfc would go in and ghetto the hill. Not my words. So that got stopped by lawyers which is fine. Then you go back to who even knows which renditions and now all of a sudden metro market is not it. Let’s just make a yoga park for all the moms and Conner and Fiona and it will all flow. I have lived here forever and I have never lived in a town where things seemingly have no plan yet it’s talked about so much you swear someone’s head is going to explode. Just becuase you talk about it does not mean its done and sorry but everyone will not get their way in these situations. Did anyone at all learn from the monorail. Of course not we only voted on it too many to even admit and not be embarrassed. Wake up people. You have pretty much ruined the top of QA already. Why not just keep doing what you been doing.

  • tico

    Occupy Queen Anne and QA Hill are threatening other poster.

    EHAT THE FUCK?

    Where is the modding? They’ve referenced her address!

    Please provide me/us with their IPs (along with browser info, screen resolution, plugins, etc.) It’d be nice to match the fingerprint of QA Hill and Occupy Queen Anne. Cowards and trolls of the highest order. Weenies!

  • tico

    Occupy Queen Anne and QA Hill are threatening other poster.

    EHAT THE FUCK?

    Where is the modding? They’ve referenced her address!

    Please provide me/us with their IPs (along with browser info, screen resolution, plugins, etc.) It’d be nice to match the fingerprint of QA Hill and Occupy Queen Anne. Cowards and trolls of the highest order. Weenies!

  • tico

    That’d be

    WHAT THE FUCK?

    Although, ehat the fuck would be a good band name.

  • tico

    That’d be

    WHAT THE FUCK?

    Although, ehat the fuck would be a good band name.

  • QA Hill

    I didn’t post her address. Actually I narrowed it down to around a block which has around 8 houses on it. And it’s public info if you even care Tico. When you learn to grow up and not use curse words that would be awesome too.

  • QA Hill

    I didn’t post her address. Actually I narrowed it down to around a block which has around 8 houses on it. And it’s public info if you even care Tico. When you learn to grow up and not use curse words that would be awesome too.

  • Occupy Queen Anne

    Wait, what? I did not threaten anyone. Read my comment.

    NIMBY called people who disagree with her “soulless weenies”

    NIMBY, without any evidence, accused people who disagree with her of being the developer. (not true)

    NIMBY, without any evidence, misstates that a majority of residents oppose the project. (not true)

    Nobody posted her address. There is this thing called Google, you know. If Ms. Cole wants to have her “Norman Rockwell moment” and call the mayor a hypocrite environmentalist, the rest of us might DARE to wonder how many square feet she takes up (3,600) and what she paid for it ($845,000).

  • Occupy Queen Anne

    Wait, what? I did not threaten anyone. Read my comment.

    NIMBY called people who disagree with her “soulless weenies”

    NIMBY, without any evidence, accused people who disagree with her of being the developer. (not true)

    NIMBY, without any evidence, misstates that a majority of residents oppose the project. (not true)

    Nobody posted her address. There is this thing called Google, you know. If Ms. Cole wants to have her “Norman Rockwell moment” and call the mayor a hypocrite environmentalist, the rest of us might DARE to wonder how many square feet she takes up (3,600) and what she paid for it ($845,000).

  • QA Lifer

    There’s a difference between what someone paid for a home and where it’s valued now. Might be a small difference, might be HUGE.

    And while 3,600 sf is not small, it’s by no means oversized, especially compared to many other homes on QA.

    Ms. Cole should be allowed to voice her displeasure at how things are progressing on the hill without personal attacks.

  • QA Lifer

    There’s a difference between what someone paid for a home and where it’s valued now. Might be a small difference, might be HUGE.

    And while 3,600 sf is not small, it’s by no means oversized, especially compared to many other homes on QA.

    Ms. Cole should be allowed to voice her displeasure at how things are progressing on the hill without personal attacks.

  • Resident

    NIMBY’s are saying don’t build it because Alzheimer’s patients will get run over by trucks?

    L.O.L. Now I have heard everything.

  • Resident

    NIMBY’s are saying don’t build it because Alzheimer’s patients will get run over by trucks?

    L.O.L. Now I have heard everything.

  • Norman

    The local residents (myself included) do take a stand against irresponsible developments such as these, but usually to know avail. The developers have more money and city officials need the tax dollars, end of story. The vast majority of attendees at the mayoral meeting were overwhelmingly opposed to the scale of the new development which was all too apparent by their reaction to comments voiced at the meeting, I just hope that city officials (i.e. City Council) take notice.

  • Norman

    The local residents (myself included) do take a stand against irresponsible developments such as these, but usually to know avail. The developers have more money and city officials need the tax dollars, end of story. The vast majority of attendees at the mayoral meeting were overwhelmingly opposed to the scale of the new development which was all too apparent by their reaction to comments voiced at the meeting, I just hope that city officials (i.e. City Council) take notice.

  • Neric

    Gee-whiz, the pro-developers on this blog sure are edgy! What’s with the nasty tone?

  • Neric

    Gee-whiz, the pro-developers on this blog sure are edgy! What’s with the nasty tone?

  • QA Hill

    @ Neric- For me at least I’m tired of developers doing their due diligence with the city and then the neighborhood knowing about what’s going on and waiting until the last minute to put up a fuss. If people really hate the process so much then they need to become more involved with the community. If not, then if everything has been approved there isn’t a lot that the rest of us can say.

  • QA Hill

    @ Neric- For me at least I’m tired of developers doing their due diligence with the city and then the neighborhood knowing about what’s going on and waiting until the last minute to put up a fuss. If people really hate the process so much then they need to become more involved with the community. If not, then if everything has been approved there isn’t a lot that the rest of us can say.

  • Resident

    Oh right Norman. How many meetings with the mayor did these NIMBY’s ever attend in their lifetime before there was something to make a fuss about. 98% of Queen Anne residents were not at the meeting and 90% of Queen Anne residents want to see this development happen.

  • Resident

    Oh right Norman. How many meetings with the mayor did these NIMBY’s ever attend in their lifetime before there was something to make a fuss about. 98% of Queen Anne residents were not at the meeting and 90% of Queen Anne residents want to see this development happen.

  • Neric

    There’s that edge again, Resident…do you work for the developer? It’s been said many times on this blog; it’s not about whether to develope, but rather to what scale should the development be allowed. Of the 90% that accept and support development, 99.9% want it at a smaller scale and do not want the trucks going in and out of the alley beside the local church and school.

  • Neric

    There’s that edge again, Resident…do you work for the developer? It’s been said many times on this blog; it’s not about whether to develope, but rather to what scale should the development be allowed. Of the 90% that accept and support development, 99.9% want it at a smaller scale and do not want the trucks going in and out of the alley beside the local church and school.

  • tico

    “…the rest of us might DARE to wonder how many square feet she takes up (3,600) and what she paid for it ($845,000).”

    Speak for yourself, not “us.” I presume that the rest of “us” are more intelligent than you are and are thus able to recognize that 3600 square feet for an average sized family is a far, far, far gentler footprint than a one bedroom apartment for one individual. I’d be happy to extrapolate that same theory to price per square foot per capita, but I’m curious to see whether you’re able to work that out on your own.

    Please report back.

    I love watching an idiot’s insult blow up in his face.

  • tico

    “…the rest of us might DARE to wonder how many square feet she takes up (3,600) and what she paid for it ($845,000).”

    Speak for yourself, not “us.” I presume that the rest of “us” are more intelligent than you are and are thus able to recognize that 3600 square feet for an average sized family is a far, far, far gentler footprint than a one bedroom apartment for one individual. I’d be happy to extrapolate that same theory to price per square foot per capita, but I’m curious to see whether you’re able to work that out on your own.

    Please report back.

    I love watching an idiot’s insult blow up in his face.

  • Neric

    Tico, can you take your rhetoric down a notch and come back to the real issue of scale and safety as it pertains to the trucks in the alley? You seem to be much better at slinging insults and personal attacks then addressing the real issues. I am pro-development, but would like to see it done at a scale that fits the neighborhood.

  • Neric

    Tico, can you take your rhetoric down a notch and come back to the real issue of scale and safety as it pertains to the trucks in the alley? You seem to be much better at slinging insults and personal attacks then addressing the real issues. I am pro-development, but would like to see it done at a scale that fits the neighborhood.

  • Patty

    Keeping the trucks off of the alley seems reasonable to me! My kids don’t go to school at the church, but I would think the trucks going in and out in that location would be a huge safety concern. Lol.

  • Patty

    Keeping the trucks off of the alley seems reasonable to me! My kids don’t go to school at the church, but I would think the trucks going in and out in that location would be a huge safety concern. Lol.

  • tico

    Brilliant point Patty. While we’re repurposing things, I’d really like to turn Mercer avenue into something more conducive for children at play. Those dang cars driving on it really are a safety concern!

  • tico

    Brilliant point Patty. While we’re repurposing things, I’d really like to turn Mercer avenue into something more conducive for children at play. Those dang cars driving on it really are a safety concern!

  • Neric

    Yes, the line of sight for a driver sitting in a 60 foot rig is well above the heads of the kinder that run around that area every day. A huge safety concern indeed!

  • Neric

    Yes, the line of sight for a driver sitting in a 60 foot rig is well above the heads of the kinder that run around that area every day. A huge safety concern indeed!

  • tico

    Can someone tell me how we could turn Boeing field into some soccer fields/ mixed use recreation areas?

  • tico

    Can someone tell me how we could turn Boeing field into some soccer fields/ mixed use recreation areas?

  • Wanda

    The children!! Think of the children!!!

  • Wanda

    The children!! Think of the children!!!

  • Patty

    Mercer isn’t a residential neighborhood where young kids travel by foot and play in school yards beside the road. Anyone questioning the legitimacy of my safety concerns for this location should stroll by the corner of 1st Ave. North and Crockett during a school day and see for themselves.

  • Patty

    Mercer isn’t a residential neighborhood where young kids travel by foot and play in school yards beside the road. Anyone questioning the legitimacy of my safety concerns for this location should stroll by the corner of 1st Ave. North and Crockett during a school day and see for themselves.

  • June

    3600 square feet is not a large house. Queen Anne is an upper class neighborhood and should not have the same big chain stores that are found in lower class neighborhoods. Our residents have lived here longer and made Seattle what it is today, and we pay more than our fair share of taxes to provide services to the minority groups and ethnic groups that shop Safeway. The people of Queen Anne deserve better and the mayor should listen. There is a church right next door that has been there for my entire life.

  • June

    3600 square feet is not a large house. Queen Anne is an upper class neighborhood and should not have the same big chain stores that are found in lower class neighborhoods. Our residents have lived here longer and made Seattle what it is today, and we pay more than our fair share of taxes to provide services to the minority groups and ethnic groups that shop Safeway. The people of Queen Anne deserve better and the mayor should listen. There is a church right next door that has been there for my entire life.

  • tico

    “Mercer isn’t a residential neighborhood where young kids travel by foot”

    Really? So my friends that have 2 kids and live across from Gates are fictitious?

    The belabored point is that alleys are for truck travel, not children playing. If you’re so stubborn and obtuse that you won’t stipulate that, than you’re of no use speaking to.

  • tico

    “Mercer isn’t a residential neighborhood where young kids travel by foot”

    Really? So my friends that have 2 kids and live across from Gates are fictitious?

    The belabored point is that alleys are for truck travel, not children playing. If you’re so stubborn and obtuse that you won’t stipulate that, than you’re of no use speaking to.

  • Brett

    Well said June. I heard a rumor that there’s a petition being circulated that’s part of an appeal to the project. Does anyone know who to contact to sign the petition? Also, i would love to volunteer my services to get more signatures as I know lots of people that oppose this development at its current scale.

  • Brett

    Well said June. I heard a rumor that there’s a petition being circulated that’s part of an appeal to the project. Does anyone know who to contact to sign the petition? Also, i would love to volunteer my services to get more signatures as I know lots of people that oppose this development at its current scale.

  • Neric

    60 foot delivery trucks were never intended for this alley, which is why the developer had to ask for a variance to the original ordinance, as well as the need to expand the alley as part of the development. Garbage trucks are one thing, 60 foot delivery trucks are another and don’t belong in this location.

  • Neric

    60 foot delivery trucks were never intended for this alley, which is why the developer had to ask for a variance to the original ordinance, as well as the need to expand the alley as part of the development. Garbage trucks are one thing, 60 foot delivery trucks are another and don’t belong in this location.

  • tico

    Oh. OK. So it’s fine to have children playing in front of garbage trucks but not delivery trucks. Got it. What a ridiculous argument.

  • tico

    Oh. OK. So it’s fine to have children playing in front of garbage trucks but not delivery trucks. Got it. What a ridiculous argument.

  • Neric

    You bet; a beebee gun is a lot less dangerous than a shot gun! My argument is not ridiculous at all, relevant yes.

  • Neric

    You bet; a beebee gun is a lot less dangerous than a shot gun! My argument is not ridiculous at all, relevant yes.

  • tico

    A 15 ton garbage truck is a BB gun?! Keep the absurdity flowing!

  • tico

    A 15 ton garbage truck is a BB gun?! Keep the absurdity flowing!

  • Neric

    My point exactly. They’re both dangerous, but the 60 foot delivery rig that rolls in and out daily is at a whole other level! I’m glad we both agree on something.

  • Neric

    My point exactly. They’re both dangerous, but the 60 foot delivery rig that rolls in and out daily is at a whole other level! I’m glad we both agree on something.

  • Ray

    If the church and the ballet school have been using the alley on a regular basis for years, legally they have rights to stop anyone else from using it. The garbage trucks should use Queen Anne Ave and delivery trucks bigger than 15 feet should not be permitted. The alley belongs to the citizens not the developers.

  • Ray

    If the church and the ballet school have been using the alley on a regular basis for years, legally they have rights to stop anyone else from using it. The garbage trucks should use Queen Anne Ave and delivery trucks bigger than 15 feet should not be permitted. The alley belongs to the citizens not the developers.

  • Pete

    Not to mention the garbage trucks are scary enough as it is, so the last thing we need are trucks 4x their size trying to maneuver in and out of the same spaces! Yikes!

  • Pete

    Not to mention the garbage trucks are scary enough as it is, so the last thing we need are trucks 4x their size trying to maneuver in and out of the same spaces! Yikes!

  • Neric

    No kidding! And these trucks would be coming and going all day long, in multiple fashion. Not a pleasant thought for the parents and teachers of the kids going to school there!

  • Neric

    No kidding! And these trucks would be coming and going all day long, in multiple fashion. Not a pleasant thought for the parents and teachers of the kids going to school there!

  • tico

    Now the church and ballet school have property rights to property they don’t own? And the actual property owner doesn’t have the same rights? Is that right?

    This is laughable and very much degrading to any genuine and legitimate concerns you may have held.

    I say roll on trucks! Try and look out for the toddler trespassers!

  • tico

    Now the church and ballet school have property rights to property they don’t own? And the actual property owner doesn’t have the same rights? Is that right?

    This is laughable and very much degrading to any genuine and legitimate concerns you may have held.

    I say roll on trucks! Try and look out for the toddler trespassers!

  • Linda

    Obviously one individual is posing as several in opposition to this much needed development. Thankfully the city has already approved it and all this is hubris. I am so excited for the new grocery store. My daughter might even buy one of the condos!

  • Linda

    Obviously one individual is posing as several in opposition to this much needed development. Thankfully the city has already approved it and all this is hubris. I am so excited for the new grocery store. My daughter might even buy one of the condos!

  • Steve

    I have a child at Sweet Pea, and I definitely share all of your concerns about the proposed new development. It’s absurd to me that anyone thinks allowing commercial expansion of the alley is good for our community. I have no problem with allowing development at that location, but do not agree that trucks should be allowed anywhere other than on the main drag.

  • Steve

    I have a child at Sweet Pea, and I definitely share all of your concerns about the proposed new development. It’s absurd to me that anyone thinks allowing commercial expansion of the alley is good for our community. I have no problem with allowing development at that location, but do not agree that trucks should be allowed anywhere other than on the main drag.

  • julie

    Steve, I too have a child (two actually) at Sweet Pea and my sister is a teacher there. What class is your child in?

    I have to say, at least from a teacher’s perspective, there is not much concern about the alley, and, honestly, a lot of the teachers are excited about the general area getting cleaned up.

    So, what class is your child in?

  • julie

    Steve, I too have a child (two actually) at Sweet Pea and my sister is a teacher there. What class is your child in?

    I have to say, at least from a teacher’s perspective, there is not much concern about the alley, and, honestly, a lot of the teachers are excited about the general area getting cleaned up.

    So, what class is your child in?

  • Monica Graverson

    The spoiled and out of touch citizens of Queen Anne such as Genevieve Cole make me embarrassed to live here. The ballet school does not even know that they are being used in this maniac’s selfish crusade to stop a development in order to protect her million dollar property value. The school already has a plan in place and does not oppose the project. I seriously doubt the church does, either. If you are going to be a NIMBY you should at least tell the truth and why doesn’t this blog do some basic reporting by talking to the owner of the ballet school themselves?

  • Monica Graverson

    The spoiled and out of touch citizens of Queen Anne such as Genevieve Cole make me embarrassed to live here. The ballet school does not even know that they are being used in this maniac’s selfish crusade to stop a development in order to protect her million dollar property value. The school already has a plan in place and does not oppose the project. I seriously doubt the church does, either. If you are going to be a NIMBY you should at least tell the truth and why doesn’t this blog do some basic reporting by talking to the owner of the ballet school themselves?

  • QA Hill

    I was just thinking about how many times a day I see the large semi coming to Safeway. It’s about once, right? And a lot of the time I have seen it when we were having dinner at Paragon, so that’s well after school time, right? So where is the info coming from that there are going to be large semi trucks using the alley all day long? There’s no way that’s even possible since the grocery store is not going to need to restock that often.

  • QA Hill

    I was just thinking about how many times a day I see the large semi coming to Safeway. It’s about once, right? And a lot of the time I have seen it when we were having dinner at Paragon, so that’s well after school time, right? So where is the info coming from that there are going to be large semi trucks using the alley all day long? There’s no way that’s even possible since the grocery store is not going to need to restock that often.

  • Monica Graverson

    QA Hill, If the Queen Anne Nanny State had it’s way, Safeway would be forced to relocate to a “lower class neighborhood” and Genevieve Cole would get to decide what time of day trucks could use city owned alleys to drive by her precious house!

  • Monica Graverson

    QA Hill, If the Queen Anne Nanny State had it’s way, Safeway would be forced to relocate to a “lower class neighborhood” and Genevieve Cole would get to decide what time of day trucks could use city owned alleys to drive by her precious house!

  • Monica Graverson

    “It’s an old person thing to imagine they live in a little village 100 years ago.”

    So true!!!

    The sooner these bigoted old fogies who whine about the “scale” of the development die off, Queen Anne will finally grow up like the rest of the city.

  • Monica Graverson

    “It’s an old person thing to imagine they live in a little village 100 years ago.”

    So true!!!

    The sooner these bigoted old fogies who whine about the “scale” of the development die off, Queen Anne will finally grow up like the rest of the city.

  • QA Hill

    @ Monica- So true about Safeway. Such a blighted area (back/east & the north end) plus ugly parking lot. Plus, it takes up the entire block! Maybe people could focus their wrath on that next!

  • QA Hill

    @ Monica- So true about Safeway. Such a blighted area (back/east & the north end) plus ugly parking lot. Plus, it takes up the entire block! Maybe people could focus their wrath on that next!

  • julie

    Hey Monica,

    I’d be real, real, real careful about maligning Ms. Cole. It’s called libel. And it has real consequences. Like, real, type real. Next Door Media would be very easily forced to turn over their logs and you’d be identified in a matter of moments. they’d probably be included in the complaint. they should be careful too.

    Then you’d be sued for stating things demonstrably false.

    Seriously, be very careful. I dropped out of law school in the second year and even I could launch a very defensible position against you. And, of course, you’d have to pay about $200/hr to defend yourself…

  • julie

    Hey Monica,

    I’d be real, real, real careful about maligning Ms. Cole. It’s called libel. And it has real consequences. Like, real, type real. Next Door Media would be very easily forced to turn over their logs and you’d be identified in a matter of moments. they’d probably be included in the complaint. they should be careful too.

    Then you’d be sued for stating things demonstrably false.

    Seriously, be very careful. I dropped out of law school in the second year and even I could launch a very defensible position against you. And, of course, you’d have to pay about $200/hr to defend yourself…

  • Monica Graverson

    julie, It’s pretty obvious why you dropped out of law school!! I suggest you read the chapter about libel one more time and really concentrate hard this time, ok?

    Are you admitting to everyone here that Ms. Cole is posting as NIMBY? I’m curious how anyone could draw any other conclusion from your remarks about my remarks. And are you the same julie who posted to say the school is not concerned? I was simply repeating what I had learned from her and offering my opinion on the ninnies in Queen Anne. News flash – that is what this blog is for. I’m sure Next Door Media will delete any comments they feel are a legal risk for them, ROFL.

  • Monica Graverson

    julie, It’s pretty obvious why you dropped out of law school!! I suggest you read the chapter about libel one more time and really concentrate hard this time, ok?

    Are you admitting to everyone here that Ms. Cole is posting as NIMBY? I’m curious how anyone could draw any other conclusion from your remarks about my remarks. And are you the same julie who posted to say the school is not concerned? I was simply repeating what I had learned from her and offering my opinion on the ninnies in Queen Anne. News flash – that is what this blog is for. I’m sure Next Door Media will delete any comments they feel are a legal risk for them, ROFL.

  • Wanda

    Maybe mayor McGinn should sue Ms. Cole for libel after she suggested he’s not a true environmentalist!!

  • Wanda

    Maybe mayor McGinn should sue Ms. Cole for libel after she suggested he’s not a true environmentalist!!

  • steven hart

    They say that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I want to make sure that Genevieve Cole, AKA NIMBY, is not the squeaky wheel in this case. I know for a fact that the majority of folks on top of the hill are in favor of this development. However, those of us happy to see the city DPD do its job, have not been attending community council meetings and circulating petitions. Genevieve Cole and her NIMBY friends do NOT represent the people of Queen Anne. They have no right to speak for the majority of the people up here. They only have their own self interests in mind. Too bad there is no petition process supporting a development that has already passed the appropriate reviews and permitting process.

  • steven hart

    They say that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I want to make sure that Genevieve Cole, AKA NIMBY, is not the squeaky wheel in this case. I know for a fact that the majority of folks on top of the hill are in favor of this development. However, those of us happy to see the city DPD do its job, have not been attending community council meetings and circulating petitions. Genevieve Cole and her NIMBY friends do NOT represent the people of Queen Anne. They have no right to speak for the majority of the people up here. They only have their own self interests in mind. Too bad there is no petition process supporting a development that has already passed the appropriate reviews and permitting process.

  • Trolls Gonna Troll

    I would say that the majority of Queen Anne residents don’t even know this blog exists. I mention that since there has been quite a bit of action on this topic and speaking for the people.

    It would be extremely interesting to see who the people are who are posting in favor of the project. It seems that no legitimate argument that a Queen Anne resident has is good enough for reconsideration of the development.

    While it might hurt many people’s feelings that Queen Anne residents are worried about the safety of children, the over development of the community, and property values, there is a good reason. We chose to live here for a reason.

    When you consider that the projects that have been recently completed(and sold) are not full, and there are many open store fronts, it is tough to argue the need for more residential store front.

    My guess is that the people involved in the pro development posts live in other areas, are jealous, or work with/benefit from the developers themselves.

    The anonymity of the internet can be so ridiculous sometimes, as the only people on here that have any credibility are the ones who actually showed up at the meeting with their concerns. Not the faceless keyboard jockeys who have no dog in this fight.

    I would be in favor of all of you meeting each other in a town hall meeting. Something tells me there would only be one side that shows up.

  • Trolls Gonna Troll

    I would say that the majority of Queen Anne residents don’t even know this blog exists. I mention that since there has been quite a bit of action on this topic and speaking for the people.

    It would be extremely interesting to see who the people are who are posting in favor of the project. It seems that no legitimate argument that a Queen Anne resident has is good enough for reconsideration of the development.

    While it might hurt many people’s feelings that Queen Anne residents are worried about the safety of children, the over development of the community, and property values, there is a good reason. We chose to live here for a reason.

    When you consider that the projects that have been recently completed(and sold) are not full, and there are many open store fronts, it is tough to argue the need for more residential store front.

    My guess is that the people involved in the pro development posts live in other areas, are jealous, or work with/benefit from the developers themselves.

    The anonymity of the internet can be so ridiculous sometimes, as the only people on here that have any credibility are the ones who actually showed up at the meeting with their concerns. Not the faceless keyboard jockeys who have no dog in this fight.

    I would be in favor of all of you meeting each other in a town hall meeting. Something tells me there would only be one side that shows up.

  • QA Lifer

    I think it’s unfair to say that just because people don’t normally show up at council meetings that they are not entitled to have credibility when they voice their opinions on an issue that affects them.

    And to those who are pointing out that nobody has been complaining about this new ‘development’ until now, that’s untrue. QA residents have been fighting this deveopment for years.

    Have you *seen* the ave now compared to how it used to look? It went from quaint and bustling with cute, small shops to big generic buildings with no character. And, as some have so astutely pointed out, many of those new building have empty retail space. Explain again how we need more retail space up here, why that’s better for our community?

  • QA Lifer

    I think it’s unfair to say that just because people don’t normally show up at council meetings that they are not entitled to have credibility when they voice their opinions on an issue that affects them.

    And to those who are pointing out that nobody has been complaining about this new ‘development’ until now, that’s untrue. QA residents have been fighting this deveopment for years.

    Have you *seen* the ave now compared to how it used to look? It went from quaint and bustling with cute, small shops to big generic buildings with no character. And, as some have so astutely pointed out, many of those new building have empty retail space. Explain again how we need more retail space up here, why that’s better for our community?

  • Bruce

    There’s no simple way to keep out chain stores. Any landlord wants to maximize their profit, which means renting to the most profitable businesses, which are often chains since chains focus more on profitability than on the owner’s passion. This isn’t good for neighborhood character, but it’s basic economics and it’s legal. And adding storefronts does not change the interest of chains, it just means more space for all types of retail, chain and non-chain.

    Our best hope for keeping passionate business owners on Queen Anne is to have developers/landlords who care about neighborhood character and not just profit. From his track record with other projects and his willingness to work with the community on this one, I get the strong impression that Joe Geivett is such a developer. I doubt we would do as well with another developer.

  • Bruce

    There’s no simple way to keep out chain stores. Any landlord wants to maximize their profit, which means renting to the most profitable businesses, which are often chains since chains focus more on profitability than on the owner’s passion. This isn’t good for neighborhood character, but it’s basic economics and it’s legal. And adding storefronts does not change the interest of chains, it just means more space for all types of retail, chain and non-chain.

    Our best hope for keeping passionate business owners on Queen Anne is to have developers/landlords who care about neighborhood character and not just profit. From his track record with other projects and his willingness to work with the community on this one, I get the strong impression that Joe Geivett is such a developer. I doubt we would do as well with another developer.

  • Lance

    A community is a living and evolving organism. We do not live in a museum. It is amazingly selfish for a handful of individuals with too much time on their hands to stand in the way of progress because they don’t like it. We may not all agree about the character we would like to see on the top of the hill. But I am pretty sure that vibrant shops and pedestrian friendly sidewalks are preferable to the massive parking lot in front of Met Market right now. We, as a community, cannot let ourselves be held hostage by the vocal minority who wish to live in a stale museum.

  • Lance

    A community is a living and evolving organism. We do not live in a museum. It is amazingly selfish for a handful of individuals with too much time on their hands to stand in the way of progress because they don’t like it. We may not all agree about the character we would like to see on the top of the hill. But I am pretty sure that vibrant shops and pedestrian friendly sidewalks are preferable to the massive parking lot in front of Met Market right now. We, as a community, cannot let ourselves be held hostage by the vocal minority who wish to live in a stale museum.

  • Trolls Gonna Troll

    Lance,

    Written just like a company shill.

    I’m sure you think a Walmart and Costco would be perfect as well. Keep banging that drum.

  • Trolls Gonna Troll

    Lance,

    Written just like a company shill.

    I’m sure you think a Walmart and Costco would be perfect as well. Keep banging that drum.

  • MsFrench

    @Lance and other “pro-progress” posters, I think the majority of QA residents agree with you. A pedestrian-friendly street, with shops and restaurants is far more desirable than parking lots like those at the Met Market and Safeway. Trucks belong in the alley. If there’s a concern about the safety of the kids at the local pre-school… DON’T ALLOW THEM TO GO IN THE ALLEY! It’s a pretty easy solution.

    When my kids were little and played at the kids’ play area at Big Howe, there were parents who thought it was necessary to put a fence around it to keep the kids from running into the street. I opposed it then and am very happy that it never happened. What idiocy! Just watch your kids, for goodness sake. Teach them not to go in the alley or street. That’s YOUR job.

  • MsFrench

    @Lance and other “pro-progress” posters, I think the majority of QA residents agree with you. A pedestrian-friendly street, with shops and restaurants is far more desirable than parking lots like those at the Met Market and Safeway. Trucks belong in the alley. If there’s a concern about the safety of the kids at the local pre-school… DON’T ALLOW THEM TO GO IN THE ALLEY! It’s a pretty easy solution.

    When my kids were little and played at the kids’ play area at Big Howe, there were parents who thought it was necessary to put a fence around it to keep the kids from running into the street. I opposed it then and am very happy that it never happened. What idiocy! Just watch your kids, for goodness sake. Teach them not to go in the alley or street. That’s YOUR job.

  • Trolls Gonna Troll

    I really can’t stress enough how much my anus is leaking now. Good God, there must be three or four quarts of cum up there. Will this ever stop?

  • Trolls Gonna Troll

    I really can’t stress enough how much my anus is leaking now. Good God, there must be three or four quarts of cum up there. Will this ever stop?

  • QAer

    MsFrench – AMEN!

  • QAer

    MsFrench – AMEN!

  • Global Degentrification

    What we need is a Walmart to replace the Met.

  • Global Degentrification

    What we need is a Walmart to replace the Met.