5 Corners Mini Mart gets new signs, many in community continue to petition

Posted on March 8th, 2010 by Editor


Over the last week many in Queen Anne have taken a position concerning a new neighborhood business slated to open its door at the top of the hill next week. The new 5 Corners Mini Mart at 309 W McGraw St. has been mired in controversy since it unveiled signs in the windows advertising the sale of “discount cigarette” and “beer and wine” last week, immediately sparking debate among concerned community members, parents and business owners.

A number of Queen Anne residents argue that the store’s products will draw undesirable customers, increasing crime in the neighborhood and negatively influencing neighborhood kids. Some have started a petition to ban the 5 Corners’ liquor license application with the state on the grounds that it presents a general public safety risk. Others disagree wholeheartedly, noting that Ken’s Market just down the street, 7-Eleven on Queen Anne Ave N, and even a handful of local coffee shops sell alcohol and wine with absolutely no problems at all.

Last Wednesday an estimated 50 people packed into the most recent Queen Anne Community Council meeting to voice their opinions on the new business and discuss concerns with Nicon-McGraw building owner John Nicon and 5 Corners owner Steve Park, taking up half of the monthly meeting time.

“This is the most people that we’ve had at a meeting since I’ve been on the council,” said QACC councilmember Michael Lapin. “It’s one of those once every five years issues that get people to the meeting.”

At Wednesday’s meeting Park made strides to compromise with concerned community members, signing a document promising that he would not sell fortified beer and wine, which has a higher alcohol content, that many believe would draw the “chronically inebriated” to the neighborhood.

I spoke with Park at 5 Corners yesterday just before the signs in the window were replaced to read “Organic Ice Cream,” “Grocery and Beverages,” and “Organic Coffee.” Although Park admitted to being surprised by the reaction the community has had, he said he changed the sign in an effort to appease concerns and show the community that his store will be a “friendly neighborhood grocery.”

“You’ve got to respect the neighborhood,” he said. “I could understand their concern…it wasn’t their choice to tear the sign down. I said, ‘OK, if that signage is giving too much exposure, I’ll take it down.’ I did it for the kids.”

Still, although Park assured community members that he would not sell fortified alcohol or pornographic magazines at the meeting, the opposition has continued to mount.

Hilltop Yarn owner Jennifer Hill was one of the community members who attended Wednesdays’ meeting. An active member of the Upper Queen Anne Merchants Association, Hill said she stayed neutral on the issue of the mini mart during the discussion, focusing instead on a longtime issue among local business owners–what she calls “a very slow uptick in homelessness, vagrancy and chronic inebriation” in the neighborhood business district.

“As business owners, it’s a problem on two standpoints. From the human standpoint, when we see someone lying on the side of the road, that’s wrong and something should be done. From a public safety aspect, when people are being hassled in front of businesses, they don’t want to shop,” she said.

As a result Hill and the UQAMA are working on a project “to ask that any store in Queen Anne volunteer for a ban of fortified wine is liquor.”

Though Park gave his word to this point, re-branded his store with a more community-oriented feel, and emphasized that his store would focus on general groceries and not just alcohol and tobacco products, for many, his promise wasn’t enough. The petition flier (.pdf) asking the Washington State Liquor Control Board to deny the 5 Corners’ liquor license application cites the following in support of their argument,

While many community members welcomed the occupancy of a presently vacant storefront, as well as the efforts of an entrepreneur to succeed in the community, the majority of those present resisted the owner’s plan to sell beer, wine and cigarettes at lower cost (and later hours) than nearby establishments like Ken’s Market. While Mr. Pack vowed not to sell fortified wine and alcohol, there is nothing to prevent such sales if a liquor license is obtained. Stores that sell those products are magnets for the chronically inebriated.

Concerns cited include:

  • The store is adjacent to school bus stops and within 500’ of a preschool (Alcuin on Crockett)
  • The proposed hours (to 11 pm on Friday and Saturday) do not complement a residential neighborhood
  • There is no parking provided for customers or delivery vehicles in an already congested area
  • Sales of “to go” alcohol are statistically proven to correlate with crime (http://bit.ly/boozecrime)
  • Queen Anne is already saturated with opportunities to buy alcohol at all hours
  • The store is adjacent to Queen Anne Helpline, which serves clients with addiction issues

This reaction has surprised many community members, who feel that Park and the 5 Corners are being unfairly targeted.

One reader wrote in our comments,

If they’re really concerned about alcohol and cigarette sales than they should target Ken’s Market just a stones throw west. Have you ever seen the shelf space that store dedicates to booze!!?? There are miles of it! What sort of “message” are they sending?

Or is it OK at Ken’s because they also sell overpriced, organic crap that yuppies love?

How about Bustle? They just opened within the last year and one of the first things I noticed was a huge placard placed DIRECTLY ON THE SIDEWALK advertising wine and “premium beers” for sale. The kids HAVE TO LITERALLY WALK AROUND that sign every single day and it’s literally kitty corner from Coe Elementary.

Nycoug wrote,

I think instead of boycotting this store people should be embracing it. I for one would rather give my money to the local guy trying to make it in this economy than a corporate owned store. Shame shame! I wish them nothing but luck! Some welcome to the neighborhood committee you people are!

Although Park said he understands the concern, he doesn’t see how his store, which he said will be open from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. Sunday through Thursday and 11 p.m. on Friday and Saturday, is any different from the many other shops selling alcohol and cigarettes, among other items, in the neighborhood.

“I don’t see any bums standing in front of Ken’s Market. Why would they stand in from of my store?” he said.

Park said that though his store will sell unfortified wine and beer, assuming the liquor license is granted, and cigarettes, that will not be its focus by any means. His plan is to turn the 5 Corners into a general convenience store carrying products that would appeal to the surrounding neighborhood–everything from organic ice cream and coffee, as the new signs display, to milk, basic groceries and a bakery section stocked with fresh Asian baked goods brought in every morning.

“I don’t’ know if the neighborhood will like it or not,” he said. “I’m trying to bring a little bit of everything.”

Still, some have held on to their first impressions of the store’s aesthetics, complaining that the storefront is too “garish” for the hill, doesn’t fit in, and fails to offer anything that can’t be bought elsewhere. One reader wrote,

I am opposed to this store based solely on their signage: “Discount Cigarette, Beer, Wine”. Too many of these stores focus on selling fortified wine and beer, and become magnets for crime, graffiti, noise and other problems. No neighborhood wants more of that.

There are too many families with kids, and schools nearby. Stores like these are just looking to make easy money on high margin items like alcohol and cigarettes, and offer little benefit to the community; in fact the impact is often negative.

Besides, there is little or no market here for what they’ll be selling.

Another wrote,

I object to the store based purely on the look and type of store. I classify it together with the Pizza Hut on Mcgraw & Queen Anne Ave and the 711 on Queen Anne Ave. All three stores are undesirable for the hill and arguably go against the kind of retail presence we want in Queen Anne.

However, since the location is zoned commercial, the owners have the right to lease the space to whomever they choose. On the other hand, you, as a Queen Anne resident, have the right to boycott the store. If enough local residents choose this course of action, the store will eventually be forced to close.

“I think there are still a bunch of people that would rather have an empty storefront there than anything else because that’s the kind of people some people are,” Lapin said. As for the concern that alcohol sales will increase crime, he said “I don’t know how you can prove that since you can walk three blocks away and get your alcohol at Safeway or Ken’s Market, or Bustle.”

After meeting Park on Wednesday, Hill said, “He is a charming, gracious fellow and I think would be a valuable asset to the Queen Anne business community.”

Hill believes the issue is not so much the market itself, but the outcry at Wednesday’s meeting and the aggressive discussion and name-calling that has ensued, notably in the comments here (this story has received more comments than any other on QueenAnneView). She said her aim was to “calm some of the more extreme neighborhood reactions on both sides.”

“I think people are unfortunately not taking the time to understand what the concerns are,” she said. “Not a single person that I heard who expressed an issue with the mini mart is an elitist, a snob, a self-absorbed NIMBY. I’ve been called all of those things–even racist and classist. I found this really offensive. We’re not any of those things. We care…I think it’s an important issue for our entire community.”

Hill was not alone in her opinion. One anonymous commenter remarked at how ashamed he was to see the community get so heated over the issue,

I am ashamed. I really can’t believe that one bad sign grew into such a huge embarrassment for me and those in my community of elitist puritanical gate keepers. I’m taking a shower right now and heading over there to heal what should be an encouraging handshake and sincere thank you.

As for the argument that some have that the store does not represent the family friendly values of the surrounding community, JT28880 wrote,

There are a lot of other people that live on QA that don’t have children and wouldn’t mind having a close place to go and buy needed goods. As long as they obey the laws and don’t become a public nuisance they should be able to operate a business.

If you want your cookie cutter neighborhoods go to the eastside. Let’s make the area great for everyone not just familes.

Park has expressed a desire to serve the wants and needs of the Queen Anne community for the long term. A family man himself (Park has two daughters), he said he’s planning on moving his family to the neighborhood after the store opens.

“I’m going to be a part of the Queen Anne community too. I don’t want to tear down the neighborhood,” he said.


  • mel

    this is starting to read like an Onion article

  • mel

    this is starting to read like an Onion article

  • QARunner

    The change of sign is hilarious! Perfectly aligned with our politically correct Seattle sensibilities! The green makes it so believeable.

    Perhaps they should consult for Obama on reframing the healthcare scheme.

  • QARunner

    The change of sign is hilarious! Perfectly aligned with our politically correct Seattle sensibilities! The green makes it so believeable.

    Perhaps they should consult for Obama on reframing the healthcare scheme.

  • DeckerFamily

    “Pack said that though his store will sell unfortified wine and beer, assuming the liquor license is granted, and cigarettes, that will not be its focus by any means. “

    Unfortunately, the first impression the people of the neighborhood were given was just the opposite.

    Giving Mr. Pack the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure he is a good person and has the best intentions. I hope his business succeeds and proves to be a valuable asset to the community, despite the rough start.

  • DeckerFamily

    “Pack said that though his store will sell unfortified wine and beer, assuming the liquor license is granted, and cigarettes, that will not be its focus by any means. “

    Unfortunately, the first impression the people of the neighborhood were given was just the opposite.

    Giving Mr. Pack the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure he is a good person and has the best intentions. I hope his business succeeds and proves to be a valuable asset to the community, despite the rough start.

  • Name

    The people opposing this store should be mortified. They couldn't be more hypocritical if they tried. I hope the LCB sees through this BS.

    I'm starting to wonder whether a portion of the opposition comes from those with a business interest in Kens Market? Surely they must fear losing a bit of traffic to the new store? What's to stop them from posting inflammatory and inaccurate statements on this forum?

    Incidentally, I spoke with the younger guy at ACE hardware yesterday and he said he was excited about the new store. That makes me wonder why anyone would have a problem with 5 corners if their immediate neighbor is welcoming them.

    Perhaps this is all a smear campaign by the Kens market people?

  • Name

    The people opposing this store should be mortified. They couldn't be more hypocritical if they tried. I hope the LCB sees through this BS.

    I'm starting to wonder whether a portion of the opposition comes from those with a business interest in Kens Market? Surely they must fear losing a bit of traffic to the new store? What's to stop them from posting inflammatory and inaccurate statements on this forum?

    Incidentally, I spoke with the younger guy at ACE hardware yesterday and he said he was excited about the new store. That makes me wonder why anyone would have a problem with 5 corners if their immediate neighbor is welcoming them.

    Perhaps this is all a smear campaign by the Kens market people?

  • Name

    The list of criticisms about this new business is bizarre. There are other establishments in our neighborhood that operate without dedicated parking spaces, or long hours, or sell alcohol near bus stops, or…

    I have only read about this issue over the blog, so I don't know all the players. But I'm beginning to wonder if Mr. Park is not white, and if this is prejudice and bias playing out.

  • Name

    The list of criticisms about this new business is bizarre. There are other establishments in our neighborhood that operate without dedicated parking spaces, or long hours, or sell alcohol near bus stops, or…

    I have only read about this issue over the blog, so I don't know all the players. But I'm beginning to wonder if Mr. Park is not white, and if this is prejudice and bias playing out.

  • name

    “There are other establishments in our neighborhood that operate without dedicated parking spaces…”

    Precisely. Consider the preschool that operates on Mcgraw and 2nd. Every. Single. Morning I see parents DASHING across McGraw, toddler in tow. Sprinting (jaywalking, to be accurate) across a major route during rush hour?! If that's not a safety issue that concerns neighbors then I'm simply baffled by their very vocal concern for kid's 'safety' reagarding a store's “signage.”

    Getting run over by a car is an acceptable risk, but having one's little snowflake see signs they probably can't even read isn't acceptable?

    Gimmee a break.

    It has to be racism.

  • name

    “There are other establishments in our neighborhood that operate without dedicated parking spaces…”

    Precisely. Consider the preschool that operates on Mcgraw and 2nd. Every. Single. Morning I see parents DASHING across McGraw, toddler in tow. Sprinting (jaywalking, to be accurate) across a major route during rush hour?! If that's not a safety issue that concerns neighbors then I'm simply baffled by their very vocal concern for kid's 'safety' reagarding a store's “signage.”

    Getting run over by a car is an acceptable risk, but having one's little snowflake see signs they probably can't even read isn't acceptable?

    Gimmee a break.

    It has to be racism.

  • Jaye

    I have no issue with the parking, increased traffic, the fact that the schools are close, etc. I have no issue with a lot about this store, but I do have concerns about the kind of people who are drawn to a “Mini-Mart”, just like they are drawn to a 7-11 (and NO, i'm not talking about blacks or Hispanics, I'm talking about the chronically inebriated who I've seen assault people at every gas station around).

    I wonder if a name change would make a big difference, since mini-mart implies a certain type of store, just like Value Village does. Would they consider changing the name to something that doesn't conjure up such 7-11 type of images? If they were the 5-Corners Market I doubt people would have such an issue with them.

  • Jaye

    I have no issue with the parking, increased traffic, the fact that the schools are close, etc. I have no issue with a lot about this store, but I do have concerns about the kind of people who are drawn to a “Mini-Mart”, just like they are drawn to a 7-11 (and NO, i'm not talking about blacks or Hispanics, I'm talking about the chronically inebriated who I've seen assault people at every gas station around).

    I wonder if a name change would make a big difference, since mini-mart implies a certain type of store, just like Value Village does. Would they consider changing the name to something that doesn't conjure up such 7-11 type of images? If they were the 5-Corners Market I doubt people would have such an issue with them.

  • chronicallyinebriated

    Some of you people really need to get a life. You live in a major city. If you don't like the idea of a 7-Eleven or a mini-mart in your neighborhood, maybe you should move to Shangri-La. Y'all acting like there's going to be a bunch of zombie-like drunks walking around Queen Anne drinking fortified wine and malt liquor.

    This whole story is so absurd, it's funny. Let the guy open his small business and leave him alone.

  • chronicallyinebriated

    Some of you people really need to get a life. You live in a major city. If you don't like the idea of a 7-Eleven or a mini-mart in your neighborhood, maybe you should move to Shangri-La. Y'all acting like there's going to be a bunch of zombie-like drunks walking around Queen Anne drinking fortified wine and malt liquor.

    This whole story is so absurd, it's funny. Let the guy open his small business and leave him alone.

  • Rob Weebo

    It's obvious that some people have way too much time on their hands to petition the signs of a “mini mart”. How about you people let the man open his business with the signs of his choosing, and then if you have a bunch of bums standing around the store that's the time to complain, not beforehand over some lousy signs. What a joke!

  • Rob Weebo

    It's obvious that some people have way too much time on their hands to petition the signs of a “mini mart”. How about you people let the man open his business with the signs of his choosing, and then if you have a bunch of bums standing around the store that's the time to complain, not beforehand over some lousy signs. What a joke!

  • Name

    The snobby, privileged white QA families on our block hate places like this because the typeface on the signs totally sucks! Plain and simple. This place could sell the exact same things, but with a classier storefront, and our uptight neighbors would instantly love it and hail it as a successful example of small local marketplaces uprooting national grocery chains.

  • Name

    The snobby, privileged white QA families on our block hate places like this because the typeface on the signs totally sucks! Plain and simple. This place could sell the exact same things, but with a classier storefront, and our uptight neighbors would instantly love it and hail it as a successful example of small local marketplaces uprooting national grocery chains.

  • Thatgirlkelly

    I moved hear from San Francisco 15 years ago. The thing I miss most about my former city was the convenience of the corner market. Sunday morning in sweat pants jogging down the block to pick up the milk or the juice and the paper……Seattle doesn't have nearly enough of these as far as I am concerned.

    I am truely perplexed by the uproar. It's not as if it is a chain like Starbucks….oh wait there is one. Or a Seven Eleven….oh wait. Ummm, at least it's not Walmart.

  • Thatgirlkelly

    I moved hear from San Francisco 15 years ago. The thing I miss most about my former city was the convenience of the corner market. Sunday morning in sweat pants jogging down the block to pick up the milk or the juice and the paper……Seattle doesn't have nearly enough of these as far as I am concerned.

    I am truely perplexed by the uproar. It's not as if it is a chain like Starbucks….oh wait there is one. Or a Seven Eleven….oh wait. Ummm, at least it's not Walmart.

  • Donna

    God, people, just say drunks.

    I go to mini marts. I like them. The stores are usually run by the owners and their families, and they care about you if you are a regular. They get to know you. They learn your name and have actual conversations with you. They treat you better if you are a regular. I find places like 7-11's and such to be far more sanitary and cold. So, if I am drawn to mini marts (which i am), by your standards I'm a drunk too.

    You seem to think that only “the chronically inebriated” will be drawn to these places. Again, i live in QA, I am a white woman in her 30's, well spoken and have a respectable job. I'd rather go to this guy's mini mart than Ken's.

  • Donna

    God, people, just say drunks.

    I go to mini marts. I like them. The stores are usually run by the owners and their families, and they care about you if you are a regular. They get to know you. They learn your name and have actual conversations with you. They treat you better if you are a regular. I find places like 7-11's and such to be far more sanitary and cold. So, if I am drawn to mini marts (which i am), by your standards I'm a drunk too.

    You seem to think that only “the chronically inebriated” will be drawn to these places. Again, i live in QA, I am a white woman in her 30's, well spoken and have a respectable job. I'd rather go to this guy's mini mart than Ken's.

  • Name

    I live in Lower Queen Anne across the street from the Mercer Mart at 4th and Mercer. This is a family operated mini mart that sells beer, wine, and cigarettes and in the last year that I have lived here, I have never noticed anyone, drunk or not, hanging around outside and making the neighborhood “unseemly.” Ozzie's takes care of that. Perhaps the new business should be given a chance to operate like any other business before being protested. I find it really hard to believe that anyone would think it's ok to complain about something that hasn't even happened yet.

  • Name

    I live in Lower Queen Anne across the street from the Mercer Mart at 4th and Mercer. This is a family operated mini mart that sells beer, wine, and cigarettes and in the last year that I have lived here, I have never noticed anyone, drunk or not, hanging around outside and making the neighborhood “unseemly.” Ozzie's takes care of that. Perhaps the new business should be given a chance to operate like any other business before being protested. I find it really hard to believe that anyone would think it's ok to complain about something that hasn't even happened yet.

  • Jaye

    Don't you understand prevention? It's a fact – FACT – that stores that more crimes are committed in front of places like mini-marts or 7-11's than supermarkets.

  • Jaye

    Don't you understand prevention? It's a fact – FACT – that stores that more crimes are committed in front of places like mini-marts or 7-11's than supermarkets.

  • Jaye

    Safeway is open 24 hours and is 5 blocks away. Is that too far?

  • Jaye

    Safeway is open 24 hours and is 5 blocks away. Is that too far?

  • david m

    Welcome to the neighborhood. Happy to have you. Use to buy cigs , beer and wine at the old deli right next door back in the 70's. Not so many people trying to get in everybodies business back then. To Bad. california transplants i guess.

  • david m

    Welcome to the neighborhood. Happy to have you. Use to buy cigs , beer and wine at the old deli right next door back in the 70's. Not so many people trying to get in everybodies business back then. To Bad. california transplants i guess.

  • DeckerFamily

    If there were any market on the hill “where everybody knows your name”, it would be Ken's.

    And now I have the theme to Cheers stuck in my head. Awesome!

    Ken's has some of the most friendly, cheerful, efficient staff around … plus, hello? Locally- and family-owned last time I checked (which was just now, on their website – http://kens-qa.com/aboutus.aspx).

    Perhaps at Safeway one might be more anonymous, excepting that their system tells them your name when you use your Club Card. (But they don't really “know” you, of course!)

  • DeckerFamily

    If there were any market on the hill “where everybody knows your name”, it would be Ken's.

    And now I have the theme to Cheers stuck in my head. Awesome!

    Ken's has some of the most friendly, cheerful, efficient staff around … plus, hello? Locally- and family-owned last time I checked (which was just now, on their website – http://kens-qa.com/aboutus.aspx).

    Perhaps at Safeway one might be more anonymous, excepting that their system tells them your name when you use your Club Card. (But they don't really “know” you, of course!)

  • DeckerFamily

    Was that deli still there in the mid/late 80s? If yes, we used to get bagels with cream cheese there after my mom picked my sister and me up from Hilltop Childcare Center.

    A deli like that would be a welcome place, for sure.

  • DeckerFamily

    Was that deli still there in the mid/late 80s? If yes, we used to get bagels with cream cheese there after my mom picked my sister and me up from Hilltop Childcare Center.

    A deli like that would be a welcome place, for sure.

  • Donna

    I don't mean to say Ken's is unfriendly. Not at all. But I'd rather go to the mini mart to get my milk or bread or whatever that I needed in a pinch. Mostly because of the prices.

  • Donna

    I don't mean to say Ken's is unfriendly. Not at all. But I'd rather go to the mini mart to get my milk or bread or whatever that I needed in a pinch. Mostly because of the prices.

  • Name

    I can't believe the uproar this one small store has caused. In fact, I am embarrassed about it. We should welcome this independent business into our community. It seems that a lot of the complaining has to do with the design of the signage. These people need to get a life. I say welcome, Mr. Park, and success to you.

  • Name

    I can't believe the uproar this one small store has caused. In fact, I am embarrassed about it. We should welcome this independent business into our community. It seems that a lot of the complaining has to do with the design of the signage. These people need to get a life. I say welcome, Mr. Park, and success to you.

  • DeckerFamily

    Thanks for clarifying. 🙂

    Hopefully, both can coexist and thrive.

  • DeckerFamily

    Thanks for clarifying. 🙂

    Hopefully, both can coexist and thrive.

  • Donna

    Care to copy paste a link to these facts? Like a study or something? Because I think your “fact!” is plain hysteria.

    i mean, I have a feeling that more crimes are committed in grocery stores (such as stealing) than you think. I've seen fights break out everywhere – mini marts, grocery stores, people's homes – in FACT I bet more violent crimes are committed in residences than outside mini-marts.

    It's like a fight club is going to be a regularly scheduled thing in front of this place.

  • Donna

    Care to copy paste a link to these facts? Like a study or something? Because I think your “fact!” is plain hysteria.

    i mean, I have a feeling that more crimes are committed in grocery stores (such as stealing) than you think. I've seen fights break out everywhere – mini marts, grocery stores, people's homes – in FACT I bet more violent crimes are committed in residences than outside mini-marts.

    It's like a fight club is going to be a regularly scheduled thing in front of this place.

  • Donna

    I hope so too! It'd be nice to have a little more diversity and choice.

  • Donna

    I hope so too! It'd be nice to have a little more diversity and choice.

  • whitey

    Nice article write-up. Now only if the guy would put some ivy in front of the store, or maybe change the signs to a cursive font, he'll wear this ridiculous opposition down to nothing. BTW, I used to come to Queen Anne just so I could get forties of Old-E for the occasional party, and now I live here (you'll find me “chronically inebriated” sitting in front of my house at all hours), so take that suckas!

  • whitey

    Nice article write-up. Now only if the guy would put some ivy in front of the store, or maybe change the signs to a cursive font, he'll wear this ridiculous opposition down to nothing. BTW, I used to come to Queen Anne just so I could get forties of Old-E for the occasional party, and now I live here (you'll find me “chronically inebriated” sitting in front of my house at all hours), so take that suckas!

  • Sean P.

    All of the complaints can be summed up as follows: “I paid a lot of money to live in a neighborhood full of rich people, so the last thing I want to see here is a business that looks like the sort of place where poor people might shop”.

  • Sean P.

    All of the complaints can be summed up as follows: “I paid a lot of money to live in a neighborhood full of rich people, so the last thing I want to see here is a business that looks like the sort of place where poor people might shop”.

  • teakake

    I agree with Donna … let's see these facts, let's take a close look at them. Even if it's true that more crimes occur in front of convenience stores than supermarkets (which I am not necessarily doubting), that doesn't mean there's a casual correlation. Without actually having read of any of these “studies” (that no one ever bothers to cite or name), I'm willing to guess that these crimes occur in areas that already have high concentrations of crime. In other words, it's not that these mini-marts CREATE crime, they only make more visible the crime that is already saturating that particular community. But, since I haven't actually read the study, I'm more than willing to concede being wrong about this once someone actually produces said study.

  • teakake

    I agree with Donna … let's see these facts, let's take a close look at them. Even if it's true that more crimes occur in front of convenience stores than supermarkets (which I am not necessarily doubting), that doesn't mean there's a casual correlation. Without actually having read of any of these “studies” (that no one ever bothers to cite or name), I'm willing to guess that these crimes occur in areas that already have high concentrations of crime. In other words, it's not that these mini-marts CREATE crime, they only make more visible the crime that is already saturating that particular community. But, since I haven't actually read the study, I'm more than willing to concede being wrong about this once someone actually produces said study.

  • juliewhitehorn

    Donna and Teakake: A link to an article about the study is in the flyer cited in the blog article above. Here's another article about the same study:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/10

    Please read it through. This is not junk science and is very relevant to the situation.

    I like Mr. Park and I look forward to shopping at his store. I hope he changes his original business plan, though, as I would rather NOT live next to a stereotypical minimart. That isn't elitist, it is common sense.

  • juliewhitehorn

    Donna and Teakake: A link to an article about the study is in the flyer cited in the blog article above. Here's another article about the same study:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/10

    Please read it through. This is not junk science and is very relevant to the situation.

    I like Mr. Park and I look forward to shopping at his store. I hope he changes his original business plan, though, as I would rather NOT live next to a stereotypical minimart. That isn't elitist, it is common sense.

  • BigBallaJ

    You've got to be kidding me. I live right down the street from here. I can't wait to go buy beer and hang around the front of the store and get dirty looks from all the NIMBYs.

    I welcome this mini-mart! Kind of bummed I can't buy a 40 oz. of Mickey's there =(

  • BigBallaJ

    You've got to be kidding me. I live right down the street from here. I can't wait to go buy beer and hang around the front of the store and get dirty looks from all the NIMBYs.

    I welcome this mini-mart! Kind of bummed I can't buy a 40 oz. of Mickey's there =(

  • wisepunk

    I am taking LQA and UQA off of my list of potential property purchases. I'm just so sick of the whiney NIMBY's in this town. Stories like this make me want to drive down to 2nd and washington in a van, pick up as many bums as I can, and give them 4 dollars each to buy beer at the hilltop 7-11. I figure dropping off 50 drunks UQA would be a delightful way to spend 200 bucks.

  • wisepunk

    I am taking LQA and UQA off of my list of potential property purchases. I'm just so sick of the whiney NIMBY's in this town. Stories like this make me want to drive down to 2nd and washington in a van, pick up as many bums as I can, and give them 4 dollars each to buy beer at the hilltop 7-11. I figure dropping off 50 drunks UQA would be a delightful way to spend 200 bucks.

  • amyalayne

    I agree w/ a few of the comments below in that local businesses are welcome! I don't want any more giant banks or supermarkets. Local shops really are what makes Queen Anne or Ballard thrive. Who cares what the signs look like? If you really care that much, talk to the building owner about why the signs aren't uniform. I'm excited for a new place other than a mass market retailer to buy my wine and beer.

  • amyalayne

    I agree w/ a few of the comments below in that local businesses are welcome! I don't want any more giant banks or supermarkets. Local shops really are what makes Queen Anne or Ballard thrive. Who cares what the signs look like? If you really care that much, talk to the building owner about why the signs aren't uniform. I'm excited for a new place other than a mass market retailer to buy my wine and beer.

  • Daniel

    People in Seattle can be such hypocrites: liberal and open-minded, as long as you conform to their incredibly narrow-minded world view.

  • Daniel

    People in Seattle can be such hypocrites: liberal and open-minded, as long as you conform to their incredibly narrow-minded world view.

  • Name

    Queen Anne residents–just confirming their snobbery. Good lord, people.

  • Name

    Queen Anne residents–just confirming their snobbery. Good lord, people.

  • longtimeqaresident

    I hope everyone trying to stop 5 Corners Mini-Mart from obtaining a liquor license will also oppose the pending liquor license application of QA Farmers Market (applied for 3/5/2010, license # 406187). The Farmer's Market is located directly across from McClure Middle School, in the heart of residential Queen Anne. It's interesting that the director of QA Farmers Market, Julie Whitehorn, is one of the most outspoken critics of the Mini-Mart, citing its proximity to schools and the residential nature of Queen Anne.

  • longtimeqaresident

    I hope everyone trying to stop 5 Corners Mini-Mart from obtaining a liquor license will also oppose the pending liquor license application of QA Farmers Market (applied for 3/5/2010, license # 406187). The Farmer's Market is located directly across from McClure Middle School, in the heart of residential Queen Anne. It's interesting that the director of QA Farmers Market, Julie Whitehorn, is one of the most outspoken critics of the Mini-Mart, citing its proximity to schools and the residential nature of Queen Anne.

  • david m

    So Julie whats up with that? Could someone track her down and address that.Julie whitehorn come on down.

  • david m

    So Julie whats up with that? Could someone track her down and address that.Julie whitehorn come on down.

  • Impressive research and analysis on an issue that's obviously getting a lot of attention from your readers: super job, Queen Anne view, and thank you!

  • Impressive research and analysis on an issue that's obviously getting a lot of attention from your readers: super job, Queen Anne view, and thank you!

  • Name

    I'm glad I live where I live, it's the ultimate 180 degrees from this attitude. I won't tell you where because you'll either judge me because you're a snob or want to move here because you're not. And this place is a secret.

  • Name

    I'm glad I live where I live, it's the ultimate 180 degrees from this attitude. I won't tell you where because you'll either judge me because you're a snob or want to move here because you're not. And this place is a secret.

  • name

    Whoooooa. Stop the presses.

    Is it true that Julie Whitehorn is applying for a liquor License to be used DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A MIDDLE SCHOOL while simultaenously campaigning to have another businesses LL application denied because, in part, it's located near a elementary school? Read that again. I've never heard of hypocrisy more atrocious than that!

    You have got to be F@@king kidding me! That is insane. Somebody needs to oust this hypocritcal jerk. How could she possibly have thought her hypocrsiy wouldn't be uncovered!?

    SHAME ON YOU JULIE WHITEHORN!!!!

  • name

    Whoooooa. Stop the presses.

    Is it true that Julie Whitehorn is applying for a liquor License to be used DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A MIDDLE SCHOOL while simultaenously campaigning to have another businesses LL application denied because, in part, it's located near a elementary school? Read that again. I've never heard of hypocrisy more atrocious than that!

    You have got to be F@@king kidding me! That is insane. Somebody needs to oust this hypocritcal jerk. How could she possibly have thought her hypocrsiy wouldn't be uncovered!?

    SHAME ON YOU JULIE WHITEHORN!!!!

  • Grubby Ballard

    You all should come down to Ballard and check out our hobo invasion. Maybe some will move up to QA now and give us a break?

  • Grubby Ballard

    You all should come down to Ballard and check out our hobo invasion. Maybe some will move up to QA now and give us a break?

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    Fresh asian baked goods! Yay. Welcome to QA, Mr. Park.

    I have to admit I didn't love the signs, and the new ones are still a little loud. But I welcome grocery variety on the hill, and am excited to see what you carry. Cheap cigarettes and beer don't interest me, but I'd love to have a nearby asian food source.

  • Matt_the_Engineer

    Fresh asian baked goods! Yay. Welcome to QA, Mr. Park.

    I have to admit I didn't love the signs, and the new ones are still a little loud. But I welcome grocery variety on the hill, and am excited to see what you carry. Cheap cigarettes and beer don't interest me, but I'd love to have a nearby asian food source.

  • wildcat77

    Last I checked cigarettes, booze, guns, and strippers were the hallmark of a quality, diverse community.

    This should not have been blow out of proportion, but the owners initial target audience were people who want cheap cigarettes and alcohol. We all know where to find targy's so he's not really filling any niche on the hill.

    Just put in a Jamba Juice with a stripper pole and we can call it a day.

  • wildcat77

    Last I checked cigarettes, booze, guns, and strippers were the hallmark of a quality, diverse community.

    This should not have been blow out of proportion, but the owners initial target audience were people who want cheap cigarettes and alcohol. We all know where to find targy's so he's not really filling any niche on the hill.

    Just put in a Jamba Juice with a stripper pole and we can call it a day.

  • Name

    Oh, thank Jebus I don't live in Queen Anne anymore.

  • Name

    Oh, thank Jebus I don't live in Queen Anne anymore.

  • Bark more, Wag Less

    ” the hallmark of a quality, diverse community.”

    When liberals in QA say 'diverse' they mean they want to eat bland Thai food, adopt cute Haitian kids, put Obama stickers on their Prius and maybe, if they are feeling really liberal, date Asian women.

    That's as diverse as it gets.

  • Bark more, Wag Less

    ” the hallmark of a quality, diverse community.”

    When liberals in QA say 'diverse' they mean they want to eat bland Thai food, adopt cute Haitian kids, put Obama stickers on their Prius and maybe, if they are feeling really liberal, date Asian women.

    That's as diverse as it gets.

  • Joe Murphy

    Never before has life imitated art so well: substitute “Queen Anne” for “River City” and “Mini-Mart” for “Pool Hall”

    For you fans of “The Music Man”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI

  • Joe Murphy

    Never before has life imitated art so well: substitute “Queen Anne” for “River City” and “Mini-Mart” for “Pool Hall”

    For you fans of “The Music Man”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI

  • ValGarfield

    WSLCB investigator comments – I was concerned that the squeaky wheel would drive the process. I wrote to the examiner and received this response. I wish I spent more time writing my question – it doesn’t read like great literature. The message immediately following is the response to my question. The name of the restaurant in my question has been deleted

    ——————————————————————–

    Thank you for your email regarding liquor license 406165.

    The primary reasons an application would be denied are those that you noted from our website.

    If an application were to be denied because of an objection, it would be an objection from a church, school or public institution located within 500 feet of the location or the local authority, in this case the City of Seattle.

    When a protest from a private citizen or a public petition is received it is noted on the report generated in the application process. A protest does not alter the process or qualifications an applicant must meet to qualify for a liquor license.

    Allen Wambold
    License Investigator
    WSLCB
    360-664-9868
    Fax – 360-753-2710

    My original email.
    ________________________________________
    I am very concerned that public politics will change the way codes and regulations are interpreted. From your website it does not say public views. I would think that if there was a traditional part that public comment made it would be listed here. Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the idea of people creating problems with alcohol. Look at the xxxxxxxx Restaurant in Seattle. I just believe we have code and regulations and a process. Can you tell me if public petitions have standing?

    I have no interest in the store. I just don’t want those that yell the loudest to be the determinant. The store keeper has rights also.

    Why would a liquor license application be denied?
    Some reasons for denial might be:
    • Failure to meet the basic requirements for the license you are applying for; e.g., not meeting the food service requirements for a restaurant that sells beer, wine, and spirits.
    • Misrepresentation of fact.
    • Failure to submit documents.
    • Indicators of hidden ownership.
    • Criminal history; i.e., conviction of a felony, conviction of a gross or simple misdemeanor involving liquor or drugs, any series of violations that show a disregard for the law.
    • Objection from the local authority.
    • Objection from a church, school, or other public institution within 500 feet of your premises

  • ValGarfield

    WSLCB investigator comments – I was concerned that the squeaky wheel would drive the process. I wrote to the examiner and received this response. I wish I spent more time writing my question – it doesn’t read like great literature. The message immediately following is the response to my question. The name of the restaurant in my question has been deleted

    ——————————————————————–

    Thank you for your email regarding liquor license 406165.

    The primary reasons an application would be denied are those that you noted from our website.

    If an application were to be denied because of an objection, it would be an objection from a church, school or public institution located within 500 feet of the location or the local authority, in this case the City of Seattle.

    When a protest from a private citizen or a public petition is received it is noted on the report generated in the application process. A protest does not alter the process or qualifications an applicant must meet to qualify for a liquor license.

    Allen Wambold
    License Investigator
    WSLCB
    360-664-9868
    Fax – 360-753-2710

    My original email.
    ________________________________________
    I am very concerned that public politics will change the way codes and regulations are interpreted. From your website it does not say public views. I would think that if there was a traditional part that public comment made it would be listed here. Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the idea of people creating problems with alcohol. Look at the xxxxxxxx Restaurant in Seattle. I just believe we have code and regulations and a process. Can you tell me if public petitions have standing?

    I have no interest in the store. I just don’t want those that yell the loudest to be the determinant. The store keeper has rights also.

    Why would a liquor license application be denied?
    Some reasons for denial might be:
    • Failure to meet the basic requirements for the license you are applying for; e.g., not meeting the food service requirements for a restaurant that sells beer, wine, and spirits.
    • Misrepresentation of fact.
    • Failure to submit documents.
    • Indicators of hidden ownership.
    • Criminal history; i.e., conviction of a felony, conviction of a gross or simple misdemeanor involving liquor or drugs, any series of violations that show a disregard for the law.
    • Objection from the local authority.
    • Objection from a church, school, or other public institution within 500 feet of your premises

  • Gillian

    Isn't it fair to say that certain shops open to attract an upscale clientelle? Then why is it such a socially horrible thing to say that certain shops also open to attract a certain downscale clientelle? And what's wrong with trying to preserve the uniqueness and beauty of our neighborhood, especially considering how much we pay for homes, taxes etc? For those of you who live in this neighborhood and are screaming about us NIMBY's, how would you feel about a strip on QA Ave consisting of Value Village and Sizzler and a Taco Bell-Pizza Hut-KFC combo 'restaurant'?

    And to those of you who think we are trying to shelter our precious snowflakes from beer and cigs, you are wrong. We are trying to shelter our precious snowflakes from the toothless white trash dude who is plastered at 2:00 p.m. and too drunk to realize he's peeing on himself. I think we are allowed to not want our kids to experience that.

  • Gillian

    Isn't it fair to say that certain shops open to attract an upscale clientelle? Then why is it such a socially horrible thing to say that certain shops also open to attract a certain downscale clientelle? And what's wrong with trying to preserve the uniqueness and beauty of our neighborhood, especially considering how much we pay for homes, taxes etc? For those of you who live in this neighborhood and are screaming about us NIMBY's, how would you feel about a strip on QA Ave consisting of Value Village and Sizzler and a Taco Bell-Pizza Hut-KFC combo 'restaurant'?

    And to those of you who think we are trying to shelter our precious snowflakes from beer and cigs, you are wrong. We are trying to shelter our precious snowflakes from the toothless white trash dude who is plastered at 2:00 p.m. and too drunk to realize he's peeing on himself. I think we are allowed to not want our kids to experience that.

  • BigBallaJ

    So basically Gillian supports the free-market, but only when it works in her favor.

  • BigBallaJ

    So basically Gillian supports the free-market, but only when it works in her favor.

  • Gillian

    That's one way to look at it, if you want to be completely myopic.

  • Gillian

    That's one way to look at it, if you want to be completely myopic.

  • BigBallaJ

    Uh, downscale versus upscale clientele, wonderful generalizations. We wouldn't want our children exposed to the dregs of society, would we? I mean that's not…life.

    That 7-11 has shady characters around it all the time I mean…like…hmm…well I can't remember the last time I saw a shady character there other than myself at 2 am buying water (futilely) trying to avoid a hangover.

    You're saying this mini mart wouldn't add to the uniqueness of the neighborhood? You've got to be kidding me. A business will survive if the market determines it, notice how the knitting place went out of business. If they'd sold beer I bet it'd still be in business.

    What's wrong with Value Village, Sizzler, and Taco Bell? Granted I've never been to Sizzler, but you think the existence of these businesses would some how be detrimental to the development of your children?

    And it wasn't 2 pm that I was peeing myself, it was 2 am. Big difference.

  • BigBallaJ

    Uh, downscale versus upscale clientele, wonderful generalizations. We wouldn't want our children exposed to the dregs of society, would we? I mean that's not…life.

    That 7-11 has shady characters around it all the time I mean…like…hmm…well I can't remember the last time I saw a shady character there other than myself at 2 am buying water (futilely) trying to avoid a hangover.

    You're saying this mini mart wouldn't add to the uniqueness of the neighborhood? You've got to be kidding me. A business will survive if the market determines it, notice how the knitting place went out of business. If they'd sold beer I bet it'd still be in business.

    What's wrong with Value Village, Sizzler, and Taco Bell? Granted I've never been to Sizzler, but you think the existence of these businesses would some how be detrimental to the development of your children?

    And it wasn't 2 pm that I was peeing myself, it was 2 am. Big difference.

  • Gillian

    Hey, I have lived in a neighborhood filled with stores like VV, Sizzler and a bunch of strip mall/fast food joints (and even worked in some of those stores – want to hear about the crack addicts who stumbled in on such a regular basis that we knew them by name?) And I've lived in hoods with stores like Communique and Sorrentino and ones with upperscale markets like Met Market and Ken's. I moved to Queen Anne so that I could live in the latter.

    You don't know why the knitting place went out of business, and regardless that's not a fair comparison. Apples to orange balls of yarn.

  • Gillian

    Hey, I have lived in a neighborhood filled with stores like VV, Sizzler and a bunch of strip mall/fast food joints (and even worked in some of those stores – want to hear about the crack addicts who stumbled in on such a regular basis that we knew them by name?) And I've lived in hoods with stores like Communique and Sorrentino and ones with upperscale markets like Met Market and Ken's. I moved to Queen Anne so that I could live in the latter.

    You don't know why the knitting place went out of business, and regardless that's not a fair comparison. Apples to orange balls of yarn.

  • BigBallaJ

    Well let's just say I'm doing my part to make Queen Anne a little less classy.

  • BigBallaJ

    Well let's just say I'm doing my part to make Queen Anne a little less classy.

  • Gillian

    we all have a purpose 🙂

  • Gillian

    we all have a purpose 🙂

  • name

    I moved to Seattle almost three years ago. Got here three days before the wife and kids followed me so that I could stock the fridge, set up the pac n play and get phone, interent and cable installed. Thought it would make the transsition that much smoother for my young kids. It worked.

    However, on my first full dayu here I went to the Met on QA ave to do some shopping. As I walked up to the entrance on QA Ave I had to literally step over an empty 40 OZ malt liquor bottle (inside a brown bag) and immediately adjacent to a LARGE HUMAN POO.

    Somehow methinks that dump wasn't takewn by a Met custumer, yet there it was.

    Trash frequents all business areas. Capiche?

  • name

    I moved to Seattle almost three years ago. Got here three days before the wife and kids followed me so that I could stock the fridge, set up the pac n play and get phone, interent and cable installed. Thought it would make the transsition that much smoother for my young kids. It worked.

    However, on my first full dayu here I went to the Met on QA ave to do some shopping. As I walked up to the entrance on QA Ave I had to literally step over an empty 40 OZ malt liquor bottle (inside a brown bag) and immediately adjacent to a LARGE HUMAN POO.

    Somehow methinks that dump wasn't takewn by a Met custumer, yet there it was.

    Trash frequents all business areas. Capiche?

  • crockettchic

    So true. My neighbor has an Obama sticker on his Prius. Giggling.

  • crockettchic

    So true. My neighbor has an Obama sticker on his Prius. Giggling.

  • crockettchic

    Common sense of an elitist.

  • crockettchic

    Common sense of an elitist.

  • crockettchic

    But that's RICH people getting drunk, so that's okay. AARRGH!!

  • crockettchic

    But that's RICH people getting drunk, so that's okay. AARRGH!!

  • DeckerFamily

    One wonders where they bought that 40 oz bottle of malt liquor …

  • DeckerFamily

    One wonders where they bought that 40 oz bottle of malt liquor …

  • Name

    Seriously, why are all of the people opposed to this store opening not complaining about the various other institutions in the neighborhood that sell alcohol? What I'd really like to know is what makes it ok for one person to do it and not another.

  • Name

    Seriously, why are all of the people opposed to this store opening not complaining about the various other institutions in the neighborhood that sell alcohol? What I'd really like to know is what makes it ok for one person to do it and not another.

  • Name

    Perhaps Mr. Park should change the name to “Mini-marche.”

  • Name

    Perhaps Mr. Park should change the name to “Mini-marche.”

  • Name

    And what have you done to improve the neighborhood?

  • Name

    And what have you done to improve the neighborhood?

  • QAisBetterThanThis

    During a month that has seen a woman assaulted in lower QA, a mentally unstable man defecating in front of Chocolopolis during business hours, and the windshield bashing on Highland, I think many of us are feeling a little less secure in this neighborhood. But please let's not let this fear turn us into a pitchfork-wielding, xenophobic mob. It’s apparent that Mr. Park wants to work with the community. Perhaps there’s a way to come together to have a real discussion based on facts instead of irrational emotions and figure out how to create a store that can benefit the owner and the neighborhood–perhaps a professional mediator who can establish a productive dialogue between the neighborhood and Mr. Park. It’s time to move forward so we can stop this spiral of hate speech, finger pointing and general ugliness. Enough already.

  • QAisBetterThanThis

    During a month that has seen a woman assaulted in lower QA, a mentally unstable man defecating in front of Chocolopolis during business hours, and the windshield bashing on Highland, I think many of us are feeling a little less secure in this neighborhood. But please let's not let this fear turn us into a pitchfork-wielding, xenophobic mob. It’s apparent that Mr. Park wants to work with the community. Perhaps there’s a way to come together to have a real discussion based on facts instead of irrational emotions and figure out how to create a store that can benefit the owner and the neighborhood–perhaps a professional mediator who can establish a productive dialogue between the neighborhood and Mr. Park. It’s time to move forward so we can stop this spiral of hate speech, finger pointing and general ugliness. Enough already.

  • crockettchic

    “Improving the neighborhood” is a very subjective term. Nice come back though.

  • crockettchic

    “Improving the neighborhood” is a very subjective term. Nice come back though.

  • DeckerFamily

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Marketing.

    Mr. Park put signs in his window declaring that his was a store specifically targeting consumers interested in discount cigarettes, beer and wine.

    Name me one other store on the hill that employs the same marketing technique.

    One wonders what kind of research Mr. Park when deciding what categories of wares to showcase in his window. Did he think, “You know what this neighborhood lacks? A place where people can buy discount cigarettes, beer and wine. Let's make big signs and put them in the windows so everyone will know where to get them. I'm sure it's a totally untapped market the needs of which must be met!”

    Three blocks away, Ken's may feature an on-sale wine or beer on their sign, and Bustle may serve by the glass, but they're not in-your-face about it, and I'm betting that most don't think of them as places to go get booze and/or smokes on the cheap. Everyone knows they sell those items, but it's not their main advertising focus.

    It was an unfortunate marketing SNAFU from which I hope Mr. Park will recover and be able to get his store up and running in a manner which will be supported by his neighbors. Best to you, Mr. Park!

  • DeckerFamily

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Marketing.

    Mr. Park put signs in his window declaring that his was a store specifically targeting consumers interested in discount cigarettes, beer and wine.

    Name me one other store on the hill that employs the same marketing technique.

    One wonders what kind of research Mr. Park when deciding what categories of wares to showcase in his window. Did he think, “You know what this neighborhood lacks? A place where people can buy discount cigarettes, beer and wine. Let's make big signs and put them in the windows so everyone will know where to get them. I'm sure it's a totally untapped market the needs of which must be met!”

    Three blocks away, Ken's may feature an on-sale wine or beer on their sign, and Bustle may serve by the glass, but they're not in-your-face about it, and I'm betting that most don't think of them as places to go get booze and/or smokes on the cheap. Everyone knows they sell those items, but it's not their main advertising focus.

    It was an unfortunate marketing SNAFU from which I hope Mr. Park will recover and be able to get his store up and running in a manner which will be supported by his neighbors. Best to you, Mr. Park!

  • newtonslaw

    Can we please get confirmation about whether the Farmer's Market Director is really one of the loudest voices speaking out against 5 corners? If this is true, it should be out in the public realm. As an unbiased observer I feel it is relevant because it highlights a huge potential conflict of interest, and hypocrisy also needs to be pointed out.

  • newtonslaw

    Can we please get confirmation about whether the Farmer's Market Director is really one of the loudest voices speaking out against 5 corners? If this is true, it should be out in the public realm. As an unbiased observer I feel it is relevant because it highlights a huge potential conflict of interest, and hypocrisy also needs to be pointed out.

  • MattMcbrinn

    “perhaps a professional mediator who can establish a productive dialogue.”

    Puhhhhlease. Is that what was required of the Pilates joint on QA Ave when they opened? How about when Tenoch took over Vincenzos? What about when “Flow” opened?! Christ, that was even advertised as an adults only cocktail bar! A COCKTAIL BAR OPENED AND NO ONE BATTED AN EYE!!!!

    But when a minority tries to open a food marlket that just happens to sell beer and wine (just like Kens, keep in mind) all the zenophobic yuppies go apesh*t.

    Please, please, please join me and others in emailing/calling the LCB to highlight the atrocious hypocrisy displayed by Julie Whitehorn and others.

    The contact info is below and your help is invaluable, I already have an open dialogue going with Mr Wambold and he'd welcome any input you may have.

    His contact info:

    Allen Wambold
    License Investigator
    WSLCB
    360-664-9868
    Fax – 360-753-2710

  • MattMcbrinn

    “perhaps a professional mediator who can establish a productive dialogue.”

    Puhhhhlease. Is that what was required of the Pilates joint on QA Ave when they opened? How about when Tenoch took over Vincenzos? What about when “Flow” opened?! Christ, that was even advertised as an adults only cocktail bar! A COCKTAIL BAR OPENED AND NO ONE BATTED AN EYE!!!!

    But when a minority tries to open a food marlket that just happens to sell beer and wine (just like Kens, keep in mind) all the zenophobic yuppies go apesh*t.

    Please, please, please join me and others in emailing/calling the LCB to highlight the atrocious hypocrisy displayed by Julie Whitehorn and others.

    The contact info is below and your help is invaluable, I already have an open dialogue going with Mr Wambold and he'd welcome any input you may have.

    His contact info:

    Allen Wambold
    License Investigator
    WSLCB
    360-664-9868
    Fax – 360-753-2710

  • name

    PS- Mr. Wambold's email is :

    agw@liq.wa.gov

  • name

    PS- Mr. Wambold's email is :

    agw@liq.wa.gov

  • juliewhitehorn

    Matt McBrinn, Thank you for signing your name, and if Google is right, I look forward to meeting you, Collen and Tamu in the neighborhood. My dog's name is Bodhi, and he's very friendly.

    Let me be clear, I have not hidden my identity or affiliation with the farmers market, and in fact disclosed both immediately to Mr. Nicon, Mr. Park, and to my neighbors at the community meeting. Readers here have seen my name on this blog or in the Queen Anne News for several years in connection with the market; it is not a secret who I am or what I care about.

    I reject your accusations of hypocricy and racism. I have lived here for 20 years and have been active almost that long in volunteer efforts to make our neighborhood a great place to live — for everyone. I share your apparent passion for social justice and would truly like to meet you and work toward that end. Perhaps we have more in common than appears.

    You will be interested to know that our nonprofit, neighbor-managed market has a mission of supporting small farms — many of which are minority- and/or immigrant-owned — we had 7 languages spoken at our market last year. The market is an active supporter of the Helpline and donated 1500 pounds of produce for hungry people last season. This year we are actively seeking a permit to accept food stamps (something that I hope Mr. Park is also doing).

    Indeed, the market has an active liquor license that is up for renewal. Two vendors sold Washington wines last year (for approximately 5 days between the hours of 3 and 7 pm). I recently signed the renewal application on behalf of our market, although we have not contracted yet with any wine vendors for this season.

    If you think this somehow invalidates my objection, as a neighbor, to alcohol sales at a minimart, perhaps you are being purposely blind to the reasonable concerns of your neighbors. Over 140 people have signed the petition in the last few days. Are they all “xenophobic yuppies”?

    Clearly not everyone sees the issue as you do. Let's respectfully agree to disagree, and each pursue the legal process that is provided. A civil society …and neighborhood… depends on exactly that.

  • juliewhitehorn

    Matt McBrinn, Thank you for signing your name, and if Google is right, I look forward to meeting you, Collen and Tamu in the neighborhood. My dog's name is Bodhi, and he's very friendly.

    Let me be clear, I have not hidden my identity or affiliation with the farmers market, and in fact disclosed both immediately to Mr. Nicon, Mr. Park, and to my neighbors at the community meeting. Readers here have seen my name on this blog or in the Queen Anne News for several years in connection with the market; it is not a secret who I am or what I care about.

    I reject your accusations of hypocricy and racism. I have lived here for 20 years and have been active almost that long in volunteer efforts to make our neighborhood a great place to live — for everyone. I share your apparent passion for social justice and would truly like to meet you and work toward that end. Perhaps we have more in common than appears.

    You will be interested to know that our nonprofit, neighbor-managed market has a mission of supporting small farms — many of which are minority- and/or immigrant-owned — we had 7 languages spoken at our market last year. The market is an active supporter of the Helpline and donated 1500 pounds of produce for hungry people last season. This year we are actively seeking a permit to accept food stamps (something that I hope Mr. Park is also doing).

    Indeed, the market has an active liquor license that is up for renewal. Two vendors sold Washington wines last year (for approximately 5 days between the hours of 3 and 7 pm). I recently signed the renewal application on behalf of our market, although we have not contracted yet with any wine vendors for this season.

    If you think this somehow invalidates my objection, as a neighbor, to alcohol sales at a minimart, perhaps you are being purposely blind to the reasonable concerns of your neighbors. Over 140 people have signed the petition in the last few days. Are they all “xenophobic yuppies”?

    Clearly not everyone sees the issue as you do. Let's respectfully agree to disagree, and each pursue the legal process that is provided. A civil society …and neighborhood… depends on exactly that.

  • david m

    Thanks for your comments julie. If i had my choice i would rather not have a stereotypical farmers market in the neighborhood at all. I find a greater need in the mini mart. i am sure we could gather a petition with over 140 signitures for the mart if we needed. If it is not needed it will go out of business. And then we can all march up to the market with our sox's and sandals to buy our wine. carry on

  • david m

    Thanks for your comments julie. If i had my choice i would rather not have a stereotypical farmers market in the neighborhood at all. I find a greater need in the mini mart. i am sure we could gather a petition with over 140 signitures for the mart if we needed. If it is not needed it will go out of business. And then we can all march up to the market with our sox's and sandals to buy our wine. carry on

  • Kahterine

    “Over 140 people have signed the petition in the last few days. Are they all “xenophobic yuppies”?

    One hundred and forty!? Wow! That's, like, a lot! You know if I linked this to facebook I'd have 1000 fans in a single day, right?

  • Kahterine

    “Over 140 people have signed the petition in the last few days. Are they all “xenophobic yuppies”?

    One hundred and forty!? Wow! That's, like, a lot! You know if I linked this to facebook I'd have 1000 fans in a single day, right?

  • Katherine

    JULIE WHITEHORN-WHY ARE YOU REFUSING TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF?

  • Katherine

    JULIE WHITEHORN-WHY ARE YOU REFUSING TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF?

  • Kahterine's BFF

    K, you are like so popular, Wow! I love being in 6th grade with you! I heard the Liquor Board LOVES Facebook fans so you should srsly give it a shot! They don't even care where ppl live!

  • Kahterine's BFF

    K, you are like so popular, Wow! I love being in 6th grade with you! I heard the Liquor Board LOVES Facebook fans so you should srsly give it a shot! They don't even care where ppl live!

  • Missy

    Kahterine's BFF is a slut.

  • Missy

    Kahterine's BFF is a slut.

  • Mary Carlson

    As a person who grew up 6 blocks from this store, I recall the days when a very similar store resided in this space. There were no problems then, and I predict the chronically inebriated will not be catching the #13 just to got their MD 2020 there, and the walk up the hill might just leave them dead on the side of the road. The whiney people who have moved into Queen Anne is the reason I left and moved to Ballard. I still shop Queen Anne businesses on Queen Anne Ave and never do I see any signs of vagrancy. You have no streets full of live aboard campers filling entire blocks. Cross the canal and see how the other half lives. QA is a neighborhood conveniently located but too far removed from the main flow of traffic for homeless people to truly move into, especially with all the soccer moms ready to call them in and complain about them. it has always been the best of both worlds- close to downtown but far far removed from the harsh realities of life.

  • Mary Carlson

    As a person who grew up 6 blocks from this store, I recall the days when a very similar store resided in this space. There were no problems then, and I predict the chronically inebriated will not be catching the #13 just to got their MD 2020 there, and the walk up the hill might just leave them dead on the side of the road. The whiney people who have moved into Queen Anne is the reason I left and moved to Ballard. I still shop Queen Anne businesses on Queen Anne Ave and never do I see any signs of vagrancy. You have no streets full of live aboard campers filling entire blocks. Cross the canal and see how the other half lives. QA is a neighborhood conveniently located but too far removed from the main flow of traffic for homeless people to truly move into, especially with all the soccer moms ready to call them in and complain about them. it has always been the best of both worlds- close to downtown but far far removed from the harsh realities of life.

  • Mary Carlson

    The knitting place is across the street from its original location. For about a year now.

  • Mary Carlson

    The knitting place is across the street from its original location. For about a year now.

  • Mary Carlson

    My guess is that the convenience stores are actually reporting the crimes and they are paying attention to what is happening outside so they are not getting robbed inside!

  • Mary Carlson

    My guess is that the convenience stores are actually reporting the crimes and they are paying attention to what is happening outside so they are not getting robbed inside!

  • DeckerFamily

    True, but sadly it's still closing its doors.

    http://www.queenanneview.com/2010/03/05/hilltop

  • DeckerFamily

    True, but sadly it's still closing its doors.

    http://www.queenanneview.com/2010/03/05/hilltop

  • crockettchic

    What really chaps my hide is that the signmaker couldn't figure out the appropriate font size when printing the revised signage. Call me OCD but that wondering “G” on the right panel is driving me nuts!!

    There. I feel better. Carry on my friends.

  • crockettchic

    What really chaps my hide is that the signmaker couldn't figure out the appropriate font size when printing the revised signage. Call me OCD but that wondering “G” on the right panel is driving me nuts!!

    There. I feel better. Carry on my friends.

  • Curious

    What was the name of that store? Has there ever been liquor at 5 Corners?

  • Curious

    What was the name of that store? Has there ever been liquor at 5 Corners?

  • Rob Weebo

    haha with a name like “Jaye” you appear to be bitter that there isn't another espresso, tea stand, or organic flower boutique opening in this space instead of a convenience store that sells alcohol and cigarettes. Get a life dude and if you don't like it move somewhere else. Just be happy that this place ain't a 7/11.

  • Rob Weebo

    haha with a name like “Jaye” you appear to be bitter that there isn't another espresso, tea stand, or organic flower boutique opening in this space instead of a convenience store that sells alcohol and cigarettes. Get a life dude and if you don't like it move somewhere else. Just be happy that this place ain't a 7/11.

  • name

    Why are some attack posts removed but not others?

  • name

    Why are some attack posts removed but not others?

  • Name

    I don't understand why people are so bent on villanizing those of us who oppose this store. We are using facts and statistics to try and prevent something bad from happening.

    The facts and stats are that there's a direct correlation between opening up a convenience store and a sharp and immeidate rise in assaults, vagrancy, crime etc. Sure we can say 'let's give it a try and see what happens' but we all know that it's much more effective to prevent something bad from happening than to fix it afterwards. This is why we wear seatbelts – it's an order of magnitude better to be in an accient while wearing a seatbelt than to not be wearing one and then possibly have to go through hospitalization, recovery, etc.

    Before you continue to trash the people who oppose this store for truly reasonable reasons, please think about how you'd feel if they were going to put in a Strip Club on that corner. Some would love it, some would oppose it, and all have a right to have their sides heard.

  • Name

    I don't understand why people are so bent on villanizing those of us who oppose this store. We are using facts and statistics to try and prevent something bad from happening.

    The facts and stats are that there's a direct correlation between opening up a convenience store and a sharp and immeidate rise in assaults, vagrancy, crime etc. Sure we can say 'let's give it a try and see what happens' but we all know that it's much more effective to prevent something bad from happening than to fix it afterwards. This is why we wear seatbelts – it's an order of magnitude better to be in an accient while wearing a seatbelt than to not be wearing one and then possibly have to go through hospitalization, recovery, etc.

    Before you continue to trash the people who oppose this store for truly reasonable reasons, please think about how you'd feel if they were going to put in a Strip Club on that corner. Some would love it, some would oppose it, and all have a right to have their sides heard.

  • david m

    Strip Club would be fine with me. And if my people are going there and i have a issue then that is a issue for my family to deal with. What store or mini mart do the people that go to strip clubs shop at? the stats are screwie. this is a big city, things happen that we all don't think are right. butt out or move out.

  • david m

    Strip Club would be fine with me. And if my people are going there and i have a issue then that is a issue for my family to deal with. What store or mini mart do the people that go to strip clubs shop at? the stats are screwie. this is a big city, things happen that we all don't think are right. butt out or move out.

  • name

    You're comparing a tiny market that sells organic ice cream to a strip club?

    You're an idiot.

  • name

    You're comparing a tiny market that sells organic ice cream to a strip club?

    You're an idiot.

  • Jaye

    Huh? What -are you trying to say? Please try a full and semi-gramatically correct sentence.

    And really? Butt out or move out? People are not allowed to stand up for their beliefs?

  • Jaye

    Huh? What -are you trying to say? Please try a full and semi-gramatically correct sentence.

    And really? Butt out or move out? People are not allowed to stand up for their beliefs?

  • Jaye

    I believe the comparison was to 2 undesirable stores, that was just an example. And this whole thing began due to the mini-mart strongly advertising Cheap Bear & Cigs and wanting to sell fortified alcohol, NOT organic ice cream.

  • Jaye

    I believe the comparison was to 2 undesirable stores, that was just an example. And this whole thing began due to the mini-mart strongly advertising Cheap Bear & Cigs and wanting to sell fortified alcohol, NOT organic ice cream.

  • name

    ” the mini-mart strongly advertising Cheap Bear & Cigs and wanting to sell fortified alcohol, NOT organic ice cream.”

    100% False.

    1- the owner promised NOT TO SELL fortified beer and wine, despite being entitled to. This is a huge concession he has absolutely no need to make. He's doing this to be a good neighbor and this is the thanks he gets?
    2- the owner is (and always was) going to carry local and organic goods, such as ice cream.

    The voice of opposition grows more pathetic each day. This is the THIRD (!) time in as many days where one of you has INTENTIONALLY disregarded the owner's pledge to not sell fortified alcohol products. Why is that?

    I think that entitles him to reneg on his promise as the neighbors apparently place no value in his word.

  • name

    ” the mini-mart strongly advertising Cheap Bear & Cigs and wanting to sell fortified alcohol, NOT organic ice cream.”

    100% False.

    1- the owner promised NOT TO SELL fortified beer and wine, despite being entitled to. This is a huge concession he has absolutely no need to make. He's doing this to be a good neighbor and this is the thanks he gets?
    2- the owner is (and always was) going to carry local and organic goods, such as ice cream.

    The voice of opposition grows more pathetic each day. This is the THIRD (!) time in as many days where one of you has INTENTIONALLY disregarded the owner's pledge to not sell fortified alcohol products. Why is that?

    I think that entitles him to reneg on his promise as the neighbors apparently place no value in his word.

  • bigballaj

    Right and now he changed the sign and said he won't sell fortified alcohol, so what's the issue?

  • bigballaj

    Right and now he changed the sign and said he won't sell fortified alcohol, so what's the issue?

  • david m

    You're a idiot. you really think all your bitchin is going to change someones right to operate a business that is following the city code. you and all your whinners go cry somewhere else. god bless america

  • david m

    You're a idiot. you really think all your bitchin is going to change someones right to operate a business that is following the city code. you and all your whinners go cry somewhere else. god bless america

  • Jaye

    All of the “bitchin” has already made a major change – the Mini-Mart is no longer going to sell fortified alcohol.

    And it's 'whiners'. I think the only person crying is your high school English teacher.

  • Jaye

    All of the “bitchin” has already made a major change – the Mini-Mart is no longer going to sell fortified alcohol.

    And it's 'whiners'. I think the only person crying is your high school English teacher.

  • Name

    On what basis should neighbors trust the store owner's “word” not to sell those items? Being a nice guy is great, but not enough.

    The denial of a liquor license is the only legal way to prevent fortified wine and beer at 5 Corners. Once a liquor license is granted, the owner could indeed renege on his promise, as you put it.

    It's a risk our community doesn't want or need.

  • Name

    On what basis should neighbors trust the store owner's “word” not to sell those items? Being a nice guy is great, but not enough.

    The denial of a liquor license is the only legal way to prevent fortified wine and beer at 5 Corners. Once a liquor license is granted, the owner could indeed renege on his promise, as you put it.

    It's a risk our community doesn't want or need.

  • BigBallaJ

    For that matter, why are we even risking allowing anyone to sell alcohol period? Anywhere? Everyone knows nothing good can come from consuming alcohol.

    Let's ban chewing gum too, I heard people have choked on it. And toothpicks. What if you fell when you had one in your mouth!

  • BigBallaJ

    For that matter, why are we even risking allowing anyone to sell alcohol period? Anywhere? Everyone knows nothing good can come from consuming alcohol.

    Let's ban chewing gum too, I heard people have choked on it. And toothpicks. What if you fell when you had one in your mouth!

  • Name

    NIMBY-ism. Elitism. Uber-yuppies.

    I've lived on Queen Anne for years, and I just don't see it. I mean, you'll find a few people like that in any neighborhood, but most of the people I've met are just hard-working middle-class folks who are concerned about their community. What's wrong with that?

    Yes, many other stores on the hill sell alcohol with no problems at all, but here is the main concern: What is the store owners real intention?

    If their intention is to offer – as most other stores do – a variety of products that cater to a broad spectrum of people, with alcohol being incidental to their offerings, I think most of the community would embrace them.

    If their intention is to create a store similar to the mini-mart at the bottom of Queen Anne Ave; a dilapidated place focused on selling fortified wine and malt liquor to alcoholics, and little else of any use to the community, then why wouldn't the community be wary of that?

    The owner initially put signs in his store that said Discount Cigarettes, Beer.

    Immediately after a council meeting he changes it to Organic Coffee, Organic Ice Cream, Food, Beverages.

    Either he's sincere about the latter, or he's just attempting to dress a wolf in sheeps clothing. I think it's natural for neighbors to be a bit suspicious. Anyone who assumes that a simple change in signage or signing an unenforceable agreement means that a potential problem no longer exists is just kidding themselves. Only he knows what his true intentions are, but once the store is open, it will be a lot harder to deal with if it becomes a problem.

    And for the people screaming that the owner has the right to open whatever he wants wherever he wants, as long as it meets code. Don't the neighbors (i.e. YOU) have rights as well? Would you be defending the owners rights if he was planning to open a potentially noisy bar or a perchlorate-spewing dry-cleaner around the corner from your quiet house?

    Hey…it meets code!

    Go take a good look inside the Manhattan store at the bottom of Queen Anne Ave. There is a very different breed of “convenience store” popping up nowadays. Seriously…would you want that around the corner from your house?

  • Name

    NIMBY-ism. Elitism. Uber-yuppies.

    I've lived on Queen Anne for years, and I just don't see it. I mean, you'll find a few people like that in any neighborhood, but most of the people I've met are just hard-working middle-class folks who are concerned about their community. What's wrong with that?

    Yes, many other stores on the hill sell alcohol with no problems at all, but here is the main concern: What is the store owners real intention?

    If their intention is to offer – as most other stores do – a variety of products that cater to a broad spectrum of people, with alcohol being incidental to their offerings, I think most of the community would embrace them.

    If their intention is to create a store similar to the mini-mart at the bottom of Queen Anne Ave; a dilapidated place focused on selling fortified wine and malt liquor to alcoholics, and little else of any use to the community, then why wouldn't the community be wary of that?

    The owner initially put signs in his store that said Discount Cigarettes, Beer.

    Immediately after a council meeting he changes it to Organic Coffee, Organic Ice Cream, Food, Beverages.

    Either he's sincere about the latter, or he's just attempting to dress a wolf in sheeps clothing. I think it's natural for neighbors to be a bit suspicious. Anyone who assumes that a simple change in signage or signing an unenforceable agreement means that a potential problem no longer exists is just kidding themselves. Only he knows what his true intentions are, but once the store is open, it will be a lot harder to deal with if it becomes a problem.

    And for the people screaming that the owner has the right to open whatever he wants wherever he wants, as long as it meets code. Don't the neighbors (i.e. YOU) have rights as well? Would you be defending the owners rights if he was planning to open a potentially noisy bar or a perchlorate-spewing dry-cleaner around the corner from your quiet house?

    Hey…it meets code!

    Go take a good look inside the Manhattan store at the bottom of Queen Anne Ave. There is a very different breed of “convenience store” popping up nowadays. Seriously…would you want that around the corner from your house?

  • david m

    Ignorence is no excuse. for the neighbors that bought into a area zoned that way. they paid less to get in that area boardering that zoning. like i said, go whine somewhere else. he is within his legal right.

  • david m

    Ignorence is no excuse. for the neighbors that bought into a area zoned that way. they paid less to get in that area boardering that zoning. like i said, go whine somewhere else. he is within his legal right.

  • Name

    yes, and how do we know that other places that sell wine and beer aren't going to start selling fortified alcohol as well? why is this person not allowed and yet others are?

  • Name

    yes, and how do we know that other places that sell wine and beer aren't going to start selling fortified alcohol as well? why is this person not allowed and yet others are?

  • Name

    Nicely put. People go into Ken's Market to get fresh produce, baked goods, deli meats etc. That's their main purpose. What's the main purpose of the mini-mart? Beer. Cheap beer.

    And just because something is legal it does not make it right.

  • Name

    Nicely put. People go into Ken's Market to get fresh produce, baked goods, deli meats etc. That's their main purpose. What's the main purpose of the mini-mart? Beer. Cheap beer.

    And just because something is legal it does not make it right.

  • Name

    “Ignorence is no excuse” then, seriously, what is your excuse for not being able to spell better than a 2nd grader or put together a semi-coherent sentence?

  • Name

    “Ignorence is no excuse” then, seriously, what is your excuse for not being able to spell better than a 2nd grader or put together a semi-coherent sentence?

  • ValGarfield

    Kens also sells wine and beer. Main purpose people go into the store – who knows. They do sell a lot of wine and beer.

    I hope you respect legality. Laws and regulations are how we have decided we want things to be run. If you don't like them work to change them.

    I think there is great concern about what this mini-mart is going to bring to the neighborhood from us all – pro and con. I think there is great concern about rights and freedoms for those within in the law.

  • ValGarfield

    Kens also sells wine and beer. Main purpose people go into the store – who knows. They do sell a lot of wine and beer.

    I hope you respect legality. Laws and regulations are how we have decided we want things to be run. If you don't like them work to change them.

    I think there is great concern about what this mini-mart is going to bring to the neighborhood from us all – pro and con. I think there is great concern about rights and freedoms for those within in the law.

  • Name

    Ha ha, that's funny! Speaking of ignorance, I don't remember getting a discount when we bought our house… it certainly wasn't cheaper than anything comparable on the hill due to the proximity of the business down the street. Get real!

    Look, Kens is a corner market. This is a mini mart. The windows were covered with “proud to support local 519 King County Police Union” stickers, (one remains on the door). He wanted to put bars on the windows. The first signs to go up read “Discount Cigarettes, Beer and Wine”. I think Mr. Pack is quite aware of the correlation between crime and a mini mart.

    The hours originally posted had a closing time of 9 pm… but now he wants to remain open till 10- 11. I think that's a legitimate gripe for the long term residents here. 7-11 is on the ave. and is not surrounded by single family homes. We already have to put up with semi truck deliveries for the Lucky Palate and True Value at 5 am. (sorry to be a whiner)!

    We live here. Most of the people on this blog don't. We do have our share of crime and have voiced our opinion based on concerns that would effect the neighborhood. The QA help line is right upstairs. Yes they do serve people with addiction issues, and If the focus of this store is going to be cheap cigs and beer then I don't think it's a good fit.

    You can call me a NIMBY if it will make you feel better. Just don't call me a racist. That would make you IGNORANT.

  • Name

    Ha ha, that's funny! Speaking of ignorance, I don't remember getting a discount when we bought our house… it certainly wasn't cheaper than anything comparable on the hill due to the proximity of the business down the street. Get real!

    Look, Kens is a corner market. This is a mini mart. The windows were covered with “proud to support local 519 King County Police Union” stickers, (one remains on the door). He wanted to put bars on the windows. The first signs to go up read “Discount Cigarettes, Beer and Wine”. I think Mr. Pack is quite aware of the correlation between crime and a mini mart.

    The hours originally posted had a closing time of 9 pm… but now he wants to remain open till 10- 11. I think that's a legitimate gripe for the long term residents here. 7-11 is on the ave. and is not surrounded by single family homes. We already have to put up with semi truck deliveries for the Lucky Palate and True Value at 5 am. (sorry to be a whiner)!

    We live here. Most of the people on this blog don't. We do have our share of crime and have voiced our opinion based on concerns that would effect the neighborhood. The QA help line is right upstairs. Yes they do serve people with addiction issues, and If the focus of this store is going to be cheap cigs and beer then I don't think it's a good fit.

    You can call me a NIMBY if it will make you feel better. Just don't call me a racist. That would make you IGNORANT.

  • QA resident with a child

    I have read the comments from the article reported in the Queen Anne News as well as the comments below and I am taken back with how angry some of the comments are or how some of it smacks elitist. Mr. Park has the legal right to open and conduct his business based on the zoning laws. He has compromised with residents who have had serious, yet potentially unfounded, concerns and has worked on making his mini mart more a “family friendly” neighborhood store. If the Queen Anne residents who are so concerned with inebriated vagrants and homeless and for that matter “undesirables” coming into the neighborhood, at the risk of having their souls burn in hell, they may want to bring up the issue of the church dinner on Wednesday on the Ave. : ) I, for one, will take a wait and see approach. I do not believe the mini mart will attract anymore criminal activity than what we already have. In the meantime, I will support Mr. Park's mini mart and I know a lot more people will too.

  • QA resident with a child

    I have read the comments from the article reported in the Queen Anne News as well as the comments below and I am taken back with how angry some of the comments are or how some of it smacks elitist. Mr. Park has the legal right to open and conduct his business based on the zoning laws. He has compromised with residents who have had serious, yet potentially unfounded, concerns and has worked on making his mini mart more a “family friendly” neighborhood store. If the Queen Anne residents who are so concerned with inebriated vagrants and homeless and for that matter “undesirables” coming into the neighborhood, at the risk of having their souls burn in hell, they may want to bring up the issue of the church dinner on Wednesday on the Ave. : ) I, for one, will take a wait and see approach. I do not believe the mini mart will attract anymore criminal activity than what we already have. In the meantime, I will support Mr. Park's mini mart and I know a lot more people will too.

  • QA resident

    Jaye:
    I would prefer to patronize a family run business. I was not aware of the mini mart and live closer to the 7 11, but I am prepared to walk to the mini mart and give him a lot of my business thanks to the uproar you and your ilk have caused.

  • QA resident

    Jaye:
    I would prefer to patronize a family run business. I was not aware of the mini mart and live closer to the 7 11, but I am prepared to walk to the mini mart and give him a lot of my business thanks to the uproar you and your ilk have caused.

  • Name

    I just went in to this little store. Despite the new signage, there is no organic ice cream or coffee…just two shelves full of mostly junk food, and a few refrigerators half-full of soda and other drinks. Plenty of cigarettes. I never asked, but the man made a point of letting me know that beer and wine would be there in two weeks.

    It has that sweet kind of rotten fruit smell, and the scene is complete with sheets covering the entrances to the back rooms.

    Right now, this store looks exactly like what many people were afraid it would be.

    OK all you responders who don't live anywhere near this store and will probably never set foot in it…let me have it!

  • Name

    I just went in to this little store. Despite the new signage, there is no organic ice cream or coffee…just two shelves full of mostly junk food, and a few refrigerators half-full of soda and other drinks. Plenty of cigarettes. I never asked, but the man made a point of letting me know that beer and wine would be there in two weeks.

    It has that sweet kind of rotten fruit smell, and the scene is complete with sheets covering the entrances to the back rooms.

    Right now, this store looks exactly like what many people were afraid it would be.

    OK all you responders who don't live anywhere near this store and will probably never set foot in it…let me have it!

  • gvanderleun

    Glady my Cowardly Unsign schmo. This is a clean well-lighted place and there is no smell at all.

    In case you didn't notice the store is still in the process of stocking. But I bet you did notice and chose to omit that fact.

    The rotten fruit smell coming here is from your own attitude and it smacks of the kind of stealth classism and racism that is all too common in this neighborhood and which this issue has surfaced in all its ugly warts.

  • gvanderleun

    Glady my Cowardly Unsign schmo. This is a clean well-lighted place and there is no smell at all.

    In case you didn't notice the store is still in the process of stocking. But I bet you did notice and chose to omit that fact.

    The rotten fruit smell coming here is from your own attitude and it smacks of the kind of stealth classism and racism that is all too common in this neighborhood and which this issue has surfaced in all its ugly warts.

  • gvanderleun

    I live here too and I won't call you a racist, just an ignorant classist lout. Who is also a whiner. Man up … If you are a man.

  • gvanderleun

    I live here too and I won't call you a racist, just an ignorant classist lout. Who is also a whiner. Man up … If you are a man.

  • gvanderleun

    Oh puhleaze…. I live next to Kens. I love the store. But what category in there has more shelf space than any other? Wine and Beer and they push it and I see, daily, lots of brew and wine going out the door. Fresh produce, yes. baked goods. yes. deli meats, yes. But there's a lot of liquid flowing out as well. Don't gild the lily.

    As far as “legal does not make it right”…. really? Abortion is legal. Is it also right?

  • gvanderleun

    Oh puhleaze…. I live next to Kens. I love the store. But what category in there has more shelf space than any other? Wine and Beer and they push it and I see, daily, lots of brew and wine going out the door. Fresh produce, yes. baked goods. yes. deli meats, yes. But there's a lot of liquid flowing out as well. Don't gild the lily.

    As far as “legal does not make it right”…. really? Abortion is legal. Is it also right?

  • gvanderleun

    Give it a rest oh holy one. Get working on Ken's license first.

  • gvanderleun

    Give it a rest oh holy one. Get working on Ken's license first.

  • gvanderleun

    “that wandering “G” on the right panel is driving me nuts!!” Really? Why don't you offer to pay to have it corrected instead of thinking that somebody else should?

  • gvanderleun

    “that wandering “G” on the right panel is driving me nuts!!” Really? Why don't you offer to pay to have it corrected instead of thinking that somebody else should?

  • crockettchic

    Wow. Are you serious gvanderleun? I never said it should be corrected. I just said it was driving me nuts, in a tongue-in-cheek way, no less. But, having said that, it does catch my attention and therefore is smart marketing, IMHO.

    Furthermore, I am a supporter of the new mini-mart and have no problem with them opening in our neighborhood. In fact, I went in yesterday to say hello and give them my support.

    I think you need to go buy a 40-ouncer, a pack of smokes and a sense of humor from said mini-mart and chill the f out.

    Peace.

  • crockettchic

    Wow. Are you serious gvanderleun? I never said it should be corrected. I just said it was driving me nuts, in a tongue-in-cheek way, no less. But, having said that, it does catch my attention and therefore is smart marketing, IMHO.

    Furthermore, I am a supporter of the new mini-mart and have no problem with them opening in our neighborhood. In fact, I went in yesterday to say hello and give them my support.

    I think you need to go buy a 40-ouncer, a pack of smokes and a sense of humor from said mini-mart and chill the f out.

    Peace.

  • Name

    You have gvanderleun pegged. All over the boards this evening with excess bile and nothing of substance to say.

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    You have gvanderleun pegged. All over the boards this evening with excess bile and nothing of substance to say.

  • gvanderleun

    In that case I have misunderstood you and apologize.

  • gvanderleun

    In that case I have misunderstood you and apologize.

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    You, Shadowy Name, I do not misunderstand and tender to you my utter contempt.

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    You, Shadowy Name, I do not misunderstand and tender to you my utter contempt.

  • Name

    Wait a minute…is gvanderleun the Gerard Van Der Leun who used to be the Senior Editor at Penthouse Magazine?

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    Wait a minute…is gvanderleun the Gerard Van Der Leun who used to be the Senior Editor at Penthouse Magazine?

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    From LinkedIn:

    Gerard Van Der Leun

    Owner, Edge Publishing and Writing and Editing Consultant

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    Current

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    Past

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    * Literary Agent at Van der Leun and Associates

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    From LinkedIn:

    Gerard Van Der Leun

    Owner, Edge Publishing and Writing and Editing Consultant

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    Industry
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    Current

    * Owner at Edge Publishing

    Past

    * Vice President Internet at General Media
    * Senior Editor at Penthouse Magazine
    * Literary Agent at Van der Leun and Associates

  • tsalt

    I have lived here most of my life and attended Queen Anne High School and there have been family owned businesses on this hill since I was a kid. They sell cigarettes and wine at Ken's Market and they also sell wine & beer across the street at Bustle. I don't see any bad people hanging around just because they can purchase that at a mini mart. What is it that brings such “bad” to the neighborhood ? Nothing , its just some persons way of bitching about something. Why don't they discuss how people drive fast on local streets or how as a community we keep our local places in business ? As a child one of my favorite places to go was the local mini mart to buy candy and pop and its only now that people can complain about selling such items. Come on , they have been selling that kind of stuff in local stores before you were born. Isn't this America , land of the free ? Aren't we as citizen able to make a choice that benefits our whole community and not the people that hate smoking and drinking. I am in favor of a local Mom & Pop store , they have been all over this city forever !

  • tsalt

    I have lived here most of my life and attended Queen Anne High School and there have been family owned businesses on this hill since I was a kid. They sell cigarettes and wine at Ken's Market and they also sell wine & beer across the street at Bustle. I don't see any bad people hanging around just because they can purchase that at a mini mart. What is it that brings such “bad” to the neighborhood ? Nothing , its just some persons way of bitching about something. Why don't they discuss how people drive fast on local streets or how as a community we keep our local places in business ? As a child one of my favorite places to go was the local mini mart to buy candy and pop and its only now that people can complain about selling such items. Come on , they have been selling that kind of stuff in local stores before you were born. Isn't this America , land of the free ? Aren't we as citizen able to make a choice that benefits our whole community and not the people that hate smoking and drinking. I am in favor of a local Mom & Pop store , they have been all over this city forever !

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    Proving my point as you do so. I gladly accept your payment; the contempt of trolls is a badge of honor.

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    Proving my point as you do so. I gladly accept your payment; the contempt of trolls is a badge of honor.

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